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Question Number 181055 by Acem last updated on 21/Nov/22
Commented by Acem last updated on 21/Nov/22
∗ DABC  Please, the comments section is only                                   for       inquiries and clarifications
DABCPlease,thecommentssectionisonlyforinquiriesandclarifications
Commented by som(math1967) last updated on 21/Nov/22
Commented by som(math1967) last updated on 21/Nov/22
∠DOA=2∠DLA  so O is centre of circumcircle of  △LDA  OD=OA=((10)/( (√2)))=5(√2)  CB∥DA ∴△ ODA∼△OBC    ((OB)/(OD))=((BC)/(DA))=(4/(10))  ⇒OB=(2/5)×5(√2)=2(√2)  ar of DABC=△AOD+△AOB  +△BOC+△DOC  =(1/2)×5(√2)×5(√2)+(1/2)×2(√2)×5(√2)  +(1/2)×2(√2)×2(√2)+(1/2)×2(√2)×5(√2)  =25+10+4+10=49 squnit
DOA=2DLAsoOiscentreofcircumcircleofLDAOD=OA=102=52CBDAODAOBCOBOD=BCDA=410OB=25×52=22arofDABC=AOD+AOB+BOC+DOC=12×52×52+12×22×52+12×22×22+12×22×52=25+10+4+10=49squnit
Commented by mr W last updated on 21/Nov/22
Acem sir: with angle 45°, the trangle  and the trapazoid are symmetric,  and the solution is obvious. we can  get the result directly as som sir did.  if the angle is 60°, we can′t get the  result obviously as with 45°.  with 45°, the diagonals of the trapazoid  are equal and equal to (5+2)(√2)=7(√2).  the area of the trapazoid is then  ((7(√2)×7(√2))/2)=49.  with angle 60°, we can′t get it so  obviously.
Acemsir:withangle45°,thetrangleandthetrapazoidaresymmetric,andthesolutionisobvious.wecangettheresultdirectlyassomsirdid.iftheangleis60°,wecantgettheresultobviouslyaswith45°.with45°,thediagonalsofthetrapazoidareequalandequalto(5+2)2=72.theareaofthetrapazoidisthen72×722=49.withangle60°,wecantgetitsoobviously.
Commented by Acem last updated on 21/Nov/22
What if D or A was out of the circle?   In other word, we can form infinite number of    trapezoids with 2 parallel bases.    And please copy all your solutions to buffer from   the menu ⋮and paste copied buffer as answer   part, then please remove the comments.   Thanks friend!
WhatifDorAwasoutofthecircle?Inotherword,wecanforminfinitenumberoftrapezoidswith2parallelbases.Andpleasecopyallyoursolutionstobufferfromthemenuandpastecopiedbufferasanswerpart,thenpleaseremovethecomments.Thanksfriend!
Commented by mr W last updated on 21/Nov/22
the angle 45° makes the thing to a  special case which is too obvious.   it′s more interesting when the angle  is not 45°, but e.g. 60°.
theangle45°makesthethingtoaspecialcasewhichistooobvious.itsmoreinterestingwhentheangleisnot45°,bute.g.60°.
Commented by mr W last updated on 21/Nov/22
the solution above from som sir is   wonderful!
thesolutionabovefromsomsiriswonderful!
Commented by Acem last updated on 21/Nov/22
No problem Sir Som
NoproblemSirSom
Commented by Acem last updated on 21/Nov/22
With an angle 45 is more interesting than 60
Withanangle45ismoreinterestingthan60
Commented by som(math1967) last updated on 21/Nov/22
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sorrycannotloadasanswer
Commented by MJS_new last updated on 21/Nov/22
they are not symmetric in my opinion. the  angle in the center is marked as 90°
theyarenotsymmetricinmyopinion.theangleinthecenterismarkedas90°
Commented by mr W last updated on 21/Nov/22
yes. now i see. it mustn′t be symmetric  with 45°.
yes.nowisee.itmustntbesymmetricwith45°.
Commented by MJS_new last updated on 21/Nov/22
the difference is not visible in the drawing.  with a base length 10 and an angle of 45°  between the bottom  l line and the diagonals we don′t get length  4 for the shorter horizontal line but  10((√2)−1)≈4.14
thedifferenceisnotvisibleinthedrawing.withabaselength10andanangleof45°betweenthebottomllineandthediagonalswedontgetlength4fortheshorterhorizontallinebut10(21)4.14
Commented by mr W last updated on 21/Nov/22
yes sir! i saw this contradiction very  late.  i think, it is symmetric only  when θ=46.397°.
yessir!isawthiscontradictionverylate.ithink,itissymmetriconlywhenθ=46.397°.
Answered by MJS_new last updated on 21/Nov/22
the angle ∡DOA=90° (or else use a different  symbol in your drawing)    let L= ((0),(0) ) ∧ C= ((p),(0) ) ∧ B= ((q),(q) )  similar triangles ⇒  D= (((5p/2)),(0) ) ∧ A= (((5q/2)),((5q/2)) )  we need ∣BC∣^2 =16 (⇔ ∣AD∣^2 =100) ⇒  p^2 −2pq+2q^2 =16 (1)    AC: y=−((5q)/(2p−5q))x+((5pq)/(2p+5q))  BD: y=−((2q)/(5p−2q))x+((5pq)/(5p−2q))  AC⊥BD ⇒  −((5q)/(2p−5q))=((5p−2q)/(2q)) ⇔  p^2 −((29)/(10))pq+2q^2 =0 (2)    (1)−(2) ⇒ q=((160)/(9p))  insert in (1) or (2) ⇒  p^4 −((464)/9)p^2 +((51200)/(81))=0  p>0 ⇒ p_1 =((2(√(2(29−(√(41))))))/3)∧p_2 =((2(√(2(29+(√(41))))))/3)  due to symmetry ∣LC_p_1  ∣=∣LB_p_2  ∣ I take p_2  ⇒  p=((2(√(2(29+(√(41))))))/3) ⇒ q=((2(√(29−(√(41)))))/3) ★  ⇒  area triangle LDA = ((500)/9)  area triangle LCB =((80)/9)  area trapezoid = ((140)/3)
theangleDOA=90°(orelseuseadifferentsymbolinyourdrawing)letL=(00)C=(p0)B=(qq)similartrianglesD=(5p/20)A=(5q/25q/2)weneedBC2=16(AD2=100)p22pq+2q2=16(1)AC:y=5q2p5qx+5pq2p+5qBD:y=2q5p2qx+5pq5p2qACBD5q2p5q=5p2q2qp22910pq+2q2=0(2)(1)(2)q=1609pinsertin(1)or(2)p44649p2+5120081=0p>0p1=22(2941)3p2=22(29+41)3duetosymmetryLCp1∣=∣LBp2Itakep2p=22(29+41)3q=229413areatriangleLDA=5009areatriangleLCB=809areatrapezoid=1403
Commented by Acem last updated on 21/Nov/22
Very well work Sir!   You can check the other method bellow  Thanks!
VerywellworkSir!YoucanchecktheothermethodbellowThanks!
Answered by Acem last updated on 21/Nov/22
Commented by Acem last updated on 21/Nov/22
We have ad= ((40)/(21)) & 4d^2 + 4a^2 = 16   by common solution:       441 d^( 4)  −1764 d^( 2)  + 1600= 0     we will find 2 solutions   a_1 ≈ 1.17905    d_1 ≈ 1.6155   a_2 ≈ 1.6155       d_2 ≈ 1.17905   For example we take the 2nd one:   AM= 5d ≈ 5.895   DM= 5a ≈ 8.077        they are not equal     The circle of M as center with r= AM,   the vertices D and F will be both out of it.
Wehavead=4021&4d2+4a2=16bycommonsolution:441d41764d2+1600=0wewillfind2solutionsa11.17905d11.6155a21.6155d21.17905Forexamplewetakethe2ndone:AM=5d5.895DM=5a8.077theyarenotequalThecircleofMascenterwithr=AM,theverticesDandFwillbebothoutofit.

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