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Question Number 78857 by mr W last updated on 21/Jan/20
with a,b∈R prove that  ((a+(√3)bi))^(1/3) +((a−(√3)bi))^(1/3)   has always real value and find this  value (or a way how to find).  examples:  a=15, b=((28)/9)  ⇒ result=5  a=6, b=((35)/9)  ⇒ result=4  a=−24, b=((80)/9)  ⇒ result=4
witha,bRprovethata+3bi3+a3bi3hasalwaysrealvalueandfindthisvalue(orawayhowtofind).examples:a=15,b=289result=5a=6,b=359result=4a=24,b=809result=4
Commented by mr W last updated on 21/Jan/20
i′m not sure if the statement is correct.  discussion is welcome!
imnotsureifthestatementiscorrect.discussioniswelcome!
Commented by john santu last updated on 22/Jan/20
let u= ((a+bi(√3) ))^(1/3)  ⇒u^3 =a+bi(√3)  v =((a−bi(√3)))^(1/3)  ⇒v^3 =a−bi(√3)  u+v = ((u^3 +v^3 )/(u^2 −uv+v^2 ))  u^3 +v^3  = 2a   u^2 −uv+v^2 = ((a^2 −3b^2 +2abi(√3)))^(1/3)  −  ((a^2 +3b^2 ))^(1/3)  +((a^2 +3b^2 −2abi(√3)))^(1/3)
letu=a+bi33u3=a+bi3v=abi33v3=abi3u+v=u3+v3u2uv+v2u3+v3=2au2uv+v2=a23b2+2abi33a2+3b23+a2+3b22abi33
Commented by john santu last updated on 21/Jan/20
difficult to write sir. too long
difficulttowritesir.toolong
Commented by mr W last updated on 21/Jan/20
thanks. but not yet understood what   you mean.
thanks.butnotyetunderstoodwhatyoumean.
Commented by john santu last updated on 21/Jan/20
wait sir
waitsir
Answered by MJS last updated on 21/Jan/20
r=α^(1/3) +β^(1/3)   r^3 −3α^(1/3) β^(1/3) r−(α+β)=0  α=p+q∧β=p−q  r^3 −3(p^2 −q^2 )^(1/3) r−2p=0  p=a∧q=(√3)bi  r^3 −3(a^2 +3b^2 )^(1/3) r−2a=0  D=−3b^2 ≤0∀b∈R ⇒ 3 real solutions    but obviously  ((s+ti))^(1/n) =u+vi ∧ ((s−ti))^(1/n) =u−vi ⇒  ((s+ti))^(1/n) +((s−ti))^(1/n) =2u ∈R
r=α13+β13r33α13β13r(α+β)=0α=p+qβ=pqr33(p2q2)13r2p=0p=aq=3bir33(a2+3b2)13r2a=0D=3b20bR3realsolutionsbutobviouslys+tin=u+vistin=uvis+tin+stin=2uR
Commented by MJS last updated on 21/Jan/20
...we can try factors of ±2a but usually we  need the trigonometric solution and obviously  we don′t get “nice” solutions in most cases  your examples lead to (a^2 +3b^2 )^(1/3) =c∈Z, we  might get some “nice” solutions for c∈Q but  not for c∈R\Q
wecantryfactorsof±2abutusuallyweneedthetrigonometricsolutionandobviouslywedontgetnicesolutionsinmostcasesyourexamplesleadto(a2+3b2)13=cZ,wemightgetsomenicesolutionsforcQbutnotforcRQ
Commented by mr W last updated on 21/Jan/20
thank you sir! very informative answer!
thankyousir!veryinformativeanswer!

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