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Question Number 201107 by behi834171 last updated on 29/Nov/23
two weels, those have the same materials,  with radii:r_1 =4 and r_2 =14  are starting to move on a surface,with  the same velocity,from:x=0 to x=20.  the surface has no friction.  wich one arrives faster?  any informations needed?
$${two}\:{weels},\:{those}\:{have}\:{the}\:{same}\:{materials}, \\ $$$${with}\:{radii}:\boldsymbol{{r}}_{\mathrm{1}} =\mathrm{4}\:{and}\:\boldsymbol{{r}}_{\mathrm{2}} =\mathrm{14} \\ $$$${are}\:{starting}\:{to}\:{move}\:{on}\:{a}\:{surface},{with} \\ $$$${the}\:{same}\:{velocity},{from}:\boldsymbol{{x}}=\mathrm{0}\:{to}\:\boldsymbol{{x}}=\mathrm{20}. \\ $$$${the}\:{surface}\:{has}\:{no}\:{friction}. \\ $$$${wich}\:{one}\:{arrives}\:{faster}? \\ $$$${any}\:{informations}\:{needed}? \\ $$
Commented by mr W last updated on 29/Nov/23
no friction means that the wheels  don′t rotate. we have two objects:  a bigger one and a smaller one, both  start with the same velocity. they  need the same time to cover the  same distance. your question “which  one arrives faster?” can not be  answered, because you didn′t tell if  they moved the same distance or not.  from x=0 and x=20 to where?
$${no}\:{friction}\:{means}\:{that}\:{the}\:{wheels} \\ $$$${don}'{t}\:{rotate}.\:{we}\:{have}\:{two}\:{objects}: \\ $$$${a}\:{bigger}\:{one}\:{and}\:{a}\:{smaller}\:{one},\:{both} \\ $$$${start}\:{with}\:{the}\:{same}\:{velocity}.\:{they} \\ $$$${need}\:{the}\:{same}\:{time}\:{to}\:{cover}\:{the} \\ $$$${same}\:{distance}.\:{your}\:{question}\:“{which} \\ $$$${one}\:{arrives}\:{faster}?''\:{can}\:{not}\:{be} \\ $$$${answered},\:{because}\:{you}\:{didn}'{t}\:{tell}\:{if} \\ $$$${they}\:{moved}\:{the}\:{same}\:{distance}\:{or}\:{not}. \\ $$$${from}\:{x}=\mathrm{0}\:{and}\:{x}=\mathrm{20}\:{to}\:{where}? \\ $$
Commented by behi834171 last updated on 29/Nov/23
hello dear master .  thanks for your time and attention.  you are right.  now we assume that the surface has   the friction,same to both objects.  the passed distance is,  also the same for two,i.e. 20 units.
$${hello}\:{dear}\:{master}\:. \\ $$$${thanks}\:{for}\:{your}\:{time}\:{and}\:{attention}. \\ $$$${you}\:{are}\:{right}. \\ $$$${now}\:{we}\:{assume}\:{that}\:{the}\:{surface}\:{has}\: \\ $$$${the}\:{friction},{same}\:{to}\:{both}\:{objects}. \\ $$$${the}\:{passed}\:{distance}\:{is}, \\ $$$${also}\:{the}\:{same}\:{for}\:{two},{i}.{e}.\:\mathrm{20}\:{units}. \\ $$$$ \\ $$$$ \\ $$
Commented by mr W last updated on 29/Nov/23
if they start with the same velocity  and they move the same distance,  then they need the same time,   despite their different masses and  sizes.
$${if}\:{they}\:{start}\:{with}\:{the}\:{same}\:{velocity} \\ $$$${and}\:{they}\:{move}\:{the}\:{same}\:{distance}, \\ $$$${then}\:{they}\:{need}\:{the}\:{same}\:{time},\: \\ $$$${despite}\:{their}\:{different}\:{masses}\:{and} \\ $$$${sizes}. \\ $$
Commented by mr W last updated on 30/Nov/23
Commented by mr W last updated on 30/Nov/23
when a wheel starts to roll on a  horizontal surface with velocity v,  it will keep this speed. if two wheels  with different radii and different  masses start with the same velocity,  they will rotate differently fast,   depending on their radii, but they  move forwards with the same  velocity v. to cover the same   distance s they need the same time   t=(s/v).  certainly to bring these two wheels  to start to move with the same  velocity, you need to do different  amount of work.
$${when}\:{a}\:{wheel}\:{starts}\:{to}\:{roll}\:{on}\:{a} \\ $$$${horizontal}\:{surface}\:{with}\:{velocity}\:{v}, \\ $$$${it}\:{will}\:{keep}\:{this}\:{speed}.\:{if}\:{two}\:{wheels} \\ $$$${with}\:{different}\:{radii}\:{and}\:{different} \\ $$$${masses}\:{start}\:{with}\:{the}\:{same}\:{velocity}, \\ $$$${they}\:{will}\:{rotate}\:{differently}\:{fast},\: \\ $$$${depending}\:{on}\:{their}\:{radii},\:{but}\:{they} \\ $$$${move}\:{forwards}\:{with}\:{the}\:{same} \\ $$$${velocity}\:{v}.\:{to}\:{cover}\:{the}\:{same}\: \\ $$$${distance}\:{s}\:{they}\:{need}\:{the}\:{same}\:{time}\: \\ $$$${t}=\frac{{s}}{{v}}. \\ $$$${certainly}\:{to}\:{bring}\:{these}\:{two}\:{wheels} \\ $$$${to}\:{start}\:{to}\:{move}\:{with}\:{the}\:{same} \\ $$$${velocity},\:{you}\:{need}\:{to}\:{do}\:{different} \\ $$$${amount}\:{of}\:{work}. \\ $$
Commented by behi834171 last updated on 04/Dec/23
thanks a lot sir for your time and favor.  in fact,i have  no idea.  please rewrite the quetion in good and   true conditions ,and please post your  answer. thank a lot,again.
$${thanks}\:{a}\:{lot}\:{sir}\:{for}\:{your}\:{time}\:{and}\:{favor}. \\ $$$${in}\:{fact},{i}\:{have}\:\:{no}\:{idea}. \\ $$$${please}\:{rewrite}\:{the}\:{quetion}\:{in}\:{good}\:{and} \\ $$$$\:{true}\:{conditions}\:,{and}\:{please}\:{post}\:{your} \\ $$$${answer}.\:{thank}\:{a}\:{lot},{again}. \\ $$

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