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Question Number 127633 by naka3546 last updated on 31/Dec/20

Commented by naka3546 last updated on 31/Dec/20

ABC  is  an  equilateral  triangle .  Find  area  of  ABC !

ABCisanequilateraltriangle.FindareaofABC!

Commented by mr W last updated on 31/Dec/20

i got  side length s=8(√3)  area=48(√3)  correct?

igotsidelengths=83area=483correct?

Commented by naka3546 last updated on 01/Jan/21

yes, sir. Show  your  workings , please .

yes,sir.Showyourworkings,please.

Commented by mr W last updated on 06/Jan/21

i got a simple formula   s=(√3)(R+r)+(√(3(R+r)^2 −8Rr))  with R=3, r=2  ⇒s=8(√3)

igotasimpleformulas=3(R+r)+3(R+r)28RrwithR=3,r=2s=83

Answered by mr W last updated on 01/Jan/21

Commented by mr W last updated on 01/Jan/21

METHOD II  let ∠BDC=2θ  BD=3(√3)+(3/(tan θ))  AD=2(√3)+(2/(tan (90−θ)))=2(√3)+2 tan θ  AD+BD=s=5(√3)+2 tan θ+(3/(tan θ))  ((BC)/(sin 2θ))=((BD)/(sin (60+2θ)))  ((sin (60+2θ))/(sin 2θ))=((BD)/(BC))=((3((√3)+(1/(tan θ))))/s)  ((√3)/(2 tan 2θ))+(1/2)=((3((√3)+(1/(tan θ))))/(5(√3)+2 tan θ+(3/(tan θ))))  ((√3)/((2 tan θ)/(1−tan^2  θ)))+1=((6((√3)+(1/(tan θ))))/(5(√3)+2 tan θ+(3/(tan θ))))  let t=tan θ  (((√3)(1−t^2 )+2t)/(2t))=((6((√3)t+1))/(5(√3)t+2t^2 +3))  2(√3)t^4 +11t^3 +3(√3)t^2 −9t−3(√3)=0  6((t/( (√3))))^4 +11((t/( (√3))))^3 +3((t/( (√3))))^2 −3((t/( (√3))))−1=0  ((t/( (√3)))+1)^2 (((2t)/( (√3)))−1)(((3t)/( (√3)))+1)=0  ⇒((2t)/( (√3)))−1=0  ⇒t=tan θ=((√3)/2)  ⇒s=5(√3)+2×((√3)/2)+(3/((√3)/2))=8(√3)

METHODIIletBDC=2θBD=33+3tanθAD=23+2tan(90θ)=23+2tanθAD+BD=s=53+2tanθ+3tanθBCsin2θ=BDsin(60+2θ)sin(60+2θ)sin2θ=BDBC=3(3+1tanθ)s32tan2θ+12=3(3+1tanθ)53+2tanθ+3tanθ32tanθ1tan2θ+1=6(3+1tanθ)53+2tanθ+3tanθlett=tanθ3(1t2)+2t2t=6(3t+1)53t+2t2+323t4+11t3+33t29t33=06(t3)4+11(t3)3+3(t3)23(t3)1=0(t3+1)2(2t31)(3t3+1)=02t31=0t=tanθ=32s=53+2×32+332=83

Commented by naka3546 last updated on 01/Jan/21

ok, sir. Thank  you  very  much .

ok,sir.Thankyouverymuch.

Commented by mr W last updated on 01/Jan/21

METHOD I  s=side length  BL=BH=(3/(tan 30°))=3(√3)  AK=AG=(2/(tan 30°))=2(√3)  HC=s−3(√3)  GC=s−2(√3)  LK=s−3(√3)−2(√3)=s−5(√3)  CF=(√(HC^2 +HF^2 ))=(√((s−3(√3))^2 +3^2 ))  CE=(√(GC^2 +GE^2 ))=(√((s−2(√3))^2 +2^2 ))  FE=(√(LK^2 +(LF−LE)^2 ))=(√((s−5(√3))^2 +(3−2)^2 ))  ∠FCE=((60°)/2)=30°  CE^2 +CF^2 −2×CE×CF×cos ∠FCE=FE^2   (s−2(√3))^2 +2^2 +(s−3(√3))^2 +3^2 −2(√([(s−2(√3))^2 +2^2 ][(s−3(√3))^2 +3^2 ]))cos 30°=(3−2)^2 +(s−2(√3)−3(√3))^2   s^2 −4(√3)s+16+s^2 −6(√3)s+36−(√(3[s^2 −4(√3)s+16][s^2 −6(√3)s+36]))=1+s^2 −10(√3)s+75  s^2 −24=(√(3[s^2 −4(√3)s+16][s^2 −6(√3)s+36]))  s^4 −48s^2 +576=3[s^2 −4(√3)s+16][s^2 −6(√3)s+36]  s^4 −48s^2 +576=3s^4 −30(√3)s^3 +372s^2 −720(√3)s+1728  s^4 −15(√3)s^3 +210s^2 −360(√3)s+576=0  ((s/( (√3))))^4 −15((s/( (√3))))^3 +70((s/( (√3))))^2 −120((s/( (√3))))+64=0  ((s/( (√3)))−1)((s/( (√3)))−2)((s/( (√3)))−4)((s/( (√3)))−8)=0  since s must be >2(√3)+3(√3)=5(√3)  ⇒(s/( (√3)))=8  ⇒s=8(√3)  Δ_(ABC) =(((√3)s^2 )/4)=(((√3)×(8(√3))^2 )/4)=48(√3)

METHODIs=sidelengthBL=BH=3tan30°=33AK=AG=2tan30°=23HC=s33GC=s23LK=s3323=s53CF=HC2+HF2=(s33)2+32CE=GC2+GE2=(s23)2+22FE=LK2+(LFLE)2=(s53)2+(32)2FCE=60°2=30°CE2+CF22×CE×CF×cosFCE=FE2(s23)2+22+(s33)2+322[(s23)2+22][(s33)2+32]cos30°=(32)2+(s2333)2s243s+16+s263s+363[s243s+16][s263s+36]=1+s2103s+75s224=3[s243s+16][s263s+36]s448s2+576=3[s243s+16][s263s+36]s448s2+576=3s4303s3+372s27203s+1728s4153s3+210s23603s+576=0(s3)415(s3)3+70(s3)2120(s3)+64=0(s31)(s32)(s34)(s38)=0sincesmustbe>23+33=53s3=8s=83ΔABC=3s24=3×(83)24=483

Commented by behi83417@gmail.com last updated on 02/Jan/21

BH=(3/(tg30))=3(√3)⇒F(3(√3),3)  ⇒(x−3(√3))^2 +(y−3)^2 =9  CD:y=m(x−a)  (x−3(√3))^2 +[m(x−a)−3]^2 =9  ⇒x^2 +27−6(√3)x+m^2 x^2 −2m^2 ax+m^2 a^2 +                       −6mx+6ma=0  ⇒(1+m^2 )x^2 −2(m^2 a+3(√3)+3m)x+              +m^2 a^2 +6ma+27=0  △′=(m^2 a+3(√3)+3m)^2 −(1+m^2 )(m^2 a^2 +6ma+27)=  =m^4 a^2 +27+9m^2 +6(√3)m^2 a+6m^3 a+18(√3)m−  −(m^2 a^2 +6ma+27+m^4 a^2 +6m^3 a+27m^2 )=  =−18m^2 +6(√3)m^2 a+18(√3)m−6ma−m^2 a^2 =0  ⇒−m^2 (18−6(√3)a+a^2 )−6m(a−3(√3))=0  ⇒^(m≠0)  { ((a−3(√3)=0⇒a=3(√3)[not ok])),((a^2 −6(√3)a+18=0⇒a=3((√3)+1))) :}  sir:mrW! what is wrong?

BH=3tg30=33F(33,3)(x33)2+(y3)2=9CD:y=m(xa)(x33)2+[m(xa)3]2=9x2+2763x+m2x22m2ax+m2a2+6mx+6ma=0(1+m2)x22(m2a+33+3m)x++m2a2+6ma+27=0=(m2a+33+3m)2(1+m2)(m2a2+6ma+27)==m4a2+27+9m2+63m2a+6m3a+183m(m2a2+6ma+27+m4a2+6m3a+27m2)==18m2+63m2a+183m6mam2a2=0m2(1863a+a2)6m(a33)=0m0{a33=0a=33[notok]a263a+18=0a=3(3+1)sir:mrW!whatiswrong?

Commented by mr W last updated on 02/Jan/21

from the condition  ⇒−m^2 (18−6(√3)a+a^2 )−6m(a−3(√3))=0  you can only know the relationship  between m and a. you can not   determine m and a from this only  condition! you need an other   condition, that is the other small  circle.

fromtheconditionm2(1863a+a2)6m(a33)=0youcanonlyknowtherelationshipbetweenmanda.youcannotdeterminemandafromthisonlycondition!youneedanothercondition,thatistheothersmallcircle.

Answered by behi83417@gmail.com last updated on 02/Jan/21

s_1 =p_1 .r_1 =((x+a+z)/2).2,AB=a,AD=x,CD=z  s_2 =p_2 .r_2 =((y+a+z)/2).3,BD=y  s=((a^2 (√3))/4)=((2(x+a+z)+3(y+a+z))/2)=  =((7a+5z+y)/2)⇒a^2 (√3)=2(7a+5z+y)  a.(z^2 +xy)=a^2 .x+a^2 .y=a^2 (x+y)=a^3   ⇒ { ((a^2 (√3)=2(7a+5z+y))),((z^2 +xy=a^2 ⇒z^2 +(a−y)y=a^2 )) :}  ⇒ { ((a^2 (√3)−2(7a+y)=10z)),((z^2 =a^2 −ay+y^2 )) :}  ⇒[a^2 (√3)−2(7a+y)]^2 =100(a^2 −ay+y^2 )  ⇒3a^4 −4a^2 (√3)(7a+y)+4(7a+y)^2 =                  =100a^2 −100ay+100y^2   ⇒3a^4 −28a^3 (√3)−4a^2 y(√3)+196a^2 +56ay+4y^2 =             =100a^2 −100ay+100y^2   ⇒96y^2 −156ay+4a^2 y(√3)+28a^3 (√3)−3a^4 −96a^2 =0  ⇒96y^2 −2a(78−2a(√3))y−a^2 (3a^2 −28a(√3)+96)=0  △′=a^2 .(78−2a(√3))^2 +96a^2 (3a^2 −28a(√3)+96)=  =a^2 [6084−312a(√3)+12a^2 +288a^2 −2688a(√3)+9216]=  =a^2 [300a^2 −3000a(√3)+15300]=  =300a^2 [a^2 −10a(√3)+51]  ⇒y=((a(39−a(√3))±5a(√3).(√(a^2 −10a(√3)+51)))/(48))

s1=p1.r1=x+a+z2.2,AB=a,AD=x,CD=zs2=p2.r2=y+a+z2.3,BD=ys=a234=2(x+a+z)+3(y+a+z)2==7a+5z+y2a23=2(7a+5z+y)a.(z2+xy)=a2.x+a2.y=a2(x+y)=a3{a23=2(7a+5z+y)z2+xy=a2z2+(ay)y=a2{a232(7a+y)=10zz2=a2ay+y2[a232(7a+y)]2=100(a2ay+y2)3a44a23(7a+y)+4(7a+y)2==100a2100ay+100y23a428a334a2y3+196a2+56ay+4y2==100a2100ay+100y296y2156ay+4a2y3+28a333a496a2=096y22a(782a3)ya2(3a228a3+96)=0=a2.(782a3)2+96a2(3a228a3+96)==a2[6084312a3+12a2+288a22688a3+9216]==a2[300a23000a3+15300]==300a2[a210a3+51]y=a(39a3)±5a3.a210a3+5148

Commented by behi83417@gmail.com last updated on 02/Jan/21

sir:mrW! what is wrong there?

sir:mrW!whatiswrongthere?

Commented by behi83417@gmail.com last updated on 02/Jan/21

thanks a lot for your time mr.proph.

thanksalotforyourtimemr.proph.

Commented by mr W last updated on 02/Jan/21

i can′t follow your idea. since you  didn′t come to a final result, i can′t  say if it′s correct or not.

icantfollowyouridea.sinceyoudidntcometoafinalresult,icantsayifitscorrectornot.

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