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Question Number 129542 by mr W last updated on 16/Jan/21

Commented by mr W last updated on 16/Jan/21

when the man climbs the ladder from  bottom to top, how much does the  block move and in which direction?

$${when}\:{the}\:{man}\:{climbs}\:{the}\:{ladder}\:{from} \\ $$$${bottom}\:{to}\:{top},\:{how}\:{much}\:{does}\:{the} \\ $$$${block}\:{move}\:{and}\:{in}\:{which}\:{direction}? \\ $$

Answered by ajfour last updated on 17/Jan/21

If man climbs ladder in time t.  F−mg=ma ↑(system: man only)  (system: ladder and block)  F−mg=(2M+m)A ↓   (2M+m)A=ma  (1/2)(A+a)t^2 =L  (1/2)(1+1+((2M)/m))At^2 =L  (1/2)At^2 =y  dividing  (y/L)=(m/(2(M+m)))     y_(block) =((mL)/(2(M+m)))  ↑

$${If}\:{man}\:{climbs}\:{ladder}\:{in}\:{time}\:{t}. \\ $$$${F}−{mg}={ma}\:\uparrow\left({system}:\:{man}\:{only}\right) \\ $$$$\left({system}:\:{ladder}\:{and}\:{block}\right) \\ $$$${F}−{mg}=\left(\mathrm{2}{M}+{m}\right){A}\:\downarrow\: \\ $$$$\left(\mathrm{2}{M}+{m}\right){A}={ma} \\ $$$$\frac{\mathrm{1}}{\mathrm{2}}\left({A}+{a}\right){t}^{\mathrm{2}} ={L} \\ $$$$\frac{\mathrm{1}}{\mathrm{2}}\left(\mathrm{1}+\mathrm{1}+\frac{\mathrm{2}{M}}{{m}}\right){At}^{\mathrm{2}} ={L} \\ $$$$\frac{\mathrm{1}}{\mathrm{2}}{At}^{\mathrm{2}} ={y} \\ $$$${dividing} \\ $$$$\frac{{y}}{{L}}=\frac{{m}}{\mathrm{2}\left({M}+{m}\right)} \\ $$$$\:\:\:{y}_{{block}} =\frac{{mL}}{\mathrm{2}\left({M}+{m}\right)}\:\:\uparrow \\ $$

Commented by mr W last updated on 16/Jan/21

great! thanks!

$${great}!\:{thanks}! \\ $$

Commented by Emptyset last updated on 17/Jan/21

can you please elaborate

$${can}\:{you}\:{please}\:{elaborate} \\ $$

Answered by mr W last updated on 17/Jan/21

Commented by mr W last updated on 17/Jan/21

T=tension in massless rope  F=force between man and ladder  a=acceleration of man upwards  A=acceleration of block upwards      =acceleration of ladder downwards    system man:  F−mg=ma   ...(i)    system ladder:  F+Mg−T=MA   ...(ii)    system block:  T−(M+m)g=(M+m)A   ...(iii)    (ii)+(iii):  F−mg=(2M+m)A  ⇒F=2(M+m)A+mg  put this into (i):  (2M+m)A=ma  ⇒a=((2M+m)/m)×A  relative acceleration between man   and ladder a_R =a+A=((2(M+m))/m)×A  ⇒(A/a_R )=(m/(2(M+m)))  say the distance the block moves is H,  H=(1/2)At^2   the distance the man moves relatively  to ladder is L,  L=(1/2)a_R t^2   ⇒(H/L)=(A/a_R )=(m/(2(M+m)))  ⇒H=((mL)/(2(M+m)))  its direction is upwards.

$${T}={tension}\:{in}\:{massless}\:{rope} \\ $$$${F}={force}\:{between}\:{man}\:{and}\:{ladder} \\ $$$${a}={acceleration}\:{of}\:{man}\:{upwards} \\ $$$${A}={acceleration}\:{of}\:{block}\:{upwards} \\ $$$$\:\:\:\:={acceleration}\:{of}\:{ladder}\:{downwards} \\ $$$$ \\ $$$${system}\:{man}: \\ $$$${F}−{mg}={ma}\:\:\:...\left({i}\right) \\ $$$$ \\ $$$${system}\:{ladder}: \\ $$$${F}+{Mg}−{T}={MA}\:\:\:...\left({ii}\right) \\ $$$$ \\ $$$${system}\:{block}: \\ $$$${T}−\left({M}+{m}\right){g}=\left({M}+{m}\right){A}\:\:\:...\left({iii}\right) \\ $$$$ \\ $$$$\left({ii}\right)+\left({iii}\right): \\ $$$${F}−{mg}=\left(\mathrm{2}{M}+{m}\right){A} \\ $$$$\Rightarrow{F}=\mathrm{2}\left({M}+{m}\right){A}+{mg} \\ $$$${put}\:{this}\:{into}\:\left({i}\right): \\ $$$$\left(\mathrm{2}{M}+{m}\right){A}={ma} \\ $$$$\Rightarrow{a}=\frac{\mathrm{2}{M}+{m}}{{m}}×{A} \\ $$$${relative}\:{acceleration}\:{between}\:{man}\: \\ $$$${and}\:{ladder}\:{a}_{{R}} ={a}+{A}=\frac{\mathrm{2}\left({M}+{m}\right)}{{m}}×{A} \\ $$$$\Rightarrow\frac{{A}}{{a}_{{R}} }=\frac{{m}}{\mathrm{2}\left({M}+{m}\right)} \\ $$$${say}\:{the}\:{distance}\:{the}\:{block}\:{moves}\:{is}\:{H}, \\ $$$${H}=\frac{\mathrm{1}}{\mathrm{2}}{At}^{\mathrm{2}} \\ $$$${the}\:{distance}\:{the}\:{man}\:{moves}\:{relatively} \\ $$$${to}\:{ladder}\:{is}\:{L}, \\ $$$${L}=\frac{\mathrm{1}}{\mathrm{2}}{a}_{{R}} {t}^{\mathrm{2}} \\ $$$$\Rightarrow\frac{{H}}{{L}}=\frac{{A}}{{a}_{{R}} }=\frac{{m}}{\mathrm{2}\left({M}+{m}\right)} \\ $$$$\Rightarrow{H}=\frac{{mL}}{\mathrm{2}\left({M}+{m}\right)} \\ $$$${its}\:{direction}\:{is}\:{upwards}. \\ $$

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