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Question Number 132809 by mr W last updated on 17/Feb/21

Commented by mr W last updated on 18/Feb/21

a mountain has the shape of a right  circular cone as shown (h>(√3)r).  from point A to point B two  sightseeing roads one time around  the mountain should be built:  road I with the shortest length.  road II with a constant slope.  1. find the lengthes of both roads.  2. do the both roads cross in the middle?  if yes, where?

amountainhastheshapeofarightcircularconeasshown(h>3r).frompointAtopointBtwosightseeingroadsonetimearoundthemountainshouldbebuilt:roadIwiththeshortestlength.roadIIwithaconstantslope.1.findthelengthesofbothroads.2.dothebothroadscrossinthemiddle?ifyes,where?

Commented by bramlexs22 last updated on 17/Feb/21

sθ = 2πr ⇒θ = ((2πr)/s) ; s = (√(r^2 +h^2 ))  θ = ((2πr)/( (√(r^2 +h^2 )))) . let AB = x    AB^2  = (s−x)^2 +s^2 −2s.(s−x)cos (((2πr)/( (√(r^2 +h^2 )))))

sθ=2πrθ=2πrs;s=r2+h2θ=2πrr2+h2.letAB=xAB2=(sx)2+s22s.(sx)cos(2πrr2+h2)

Commented by mr W last updated on 17/Feb/21

this is for road I. thanks!  give also a try for road II ?

thisisforroadI.thanks!givealsoatryforroadII?

Commented by ajfour last updated on 17/Feb/21

need to know- how the ′slope′ in  ′constant slope′ is defined;  two options, i think:  (dz/(rdθ))    (dz≠dl) ;  r=(√(x^2 +y^2 ))    OR  (dz/( (√((rdθ)^2 +(dl)^2 ))))  ;  l=(√(x^2 +y^2 +(h−z)^2 ))

needtoknowhowtheslopeinconstantslopeisdefined;twooptions,ithink:dzrdθ(dzdl);r=x2+y2ORdz(rdθ)2+(dl)2;l=x2+y2+(hz)2

Commented by mr W last updated on 17/Feb/21

definition of slope:  from (x,y,z) to (x+Δx,y+Δh,z+Δz)  slope=((Δz)/( (√((Δx)^2 +(Δy)^2 ))))=((Δz)/( (√((Δl)^2 −(Δz)^2 ))))  with Δl=(√((Δx)^2 +(Δy)^2 +(Δz)^2 ))

definitionofslope:from(x,y,z)to(x+Δx,y+Δh,z+Δz)slope=Δz(Δx)2+(Δy)2=Δz(Δl)2(Δz)2withΔl=(Δx)2+(Δy)2+(Δz)2

Commented by mr W last updated on 18/Feb/21

could you go with this definition sir?

couldyougowiththisdefinitionsir?

Answered by mr W last updated on 18/Feb/21

Commented by mr W last updated on 17/Feb/21

P=peak of mountain  let λ=(r/h)  γ=tan^(−1) (r/h)=tan^(−1) λ  s_A =PA  s_B =PB  s_A =(√(h^2 +r^2 ))=h (√(1+λ^2 ))  (s_B /(sin ((π/2)−θ)))=(h/(sin ((π/2)−θ+γ)))  s_B =((cos θ h)/(cos (θ−γ)))=(h/(cos γ+sin γ tan θ))  s_B =((h(√(1+λ^2 )))/(1+λtan θ))    when the surface of the cone is  unfolded, the shortest road from  A to B is the straight line AB.  AA^(⌢) ′=2πr  ϕ=((2πr)/s_A )=((2πr)/( (√(h^2 +r^2 ))))=((2πλ)/( (√(1+λ^2 ))))  (assume ϕ<π, i.e. λ<(1/( (√3))) or γ<30°)    length of road =L_I   L_I =AB=(√(s_A ^2 +s_B ^2 −2s_A s_B cos ϕ))  L_I =(√(h^2 +r^2 +((h^2 (1+λ^2 ))/((1+λtan θ)^2 ))−((2h(√((1+λ^2 )(h^2 +r^2 ))))/(1+λtan θ)) cos ((2πλ)/( (√(1+λ^2 ))))))  (L_I /h)=(√((1+λ^2 )[1+(1/((1+λtan θ)^2 ))−(2/(1+λtan θ)) cos ((2πλ)/( (√(1+λ^2 ))))]))    example:  λ=(1/3), θ=45°  (L_I /h)=(5/(12))(√(10(1−((24)/(25)) cos (((√(10))π)/( 5)))))≈1.552354    we see by road I, the point B is not  always the highest point on the road.  the highest point on the road has the  closest distance to the peak P, this  is the point M.  ((sin (ϕ+α))/(sin α))=(s_A /s_B )  ((sin ϕ)/(tan α))+cos ϕ=1+λtan θ  tan α=((sin ϕ)/(1+λtan θ−cos ϕ))  s_M =PM=s_A  sin α  ⇒s_M =((h(√(1+λ^2 )) sin ϕ)/( (√(1+(1+λtan θ)(1+λtan θ−2cos ϕ)))))

P=peakofmountainletλ=rhγ=tan1rh=tan1λsA=PAsB=PBsA=h2+r2=h1+λ2sBsin(π2θ)=hsin(π2θ+γ)sB=cosθhcos(θγ)=hcosγ+sinγtanθsB=h1+λ21+λtanθwhenthesurfaceoftheconeisunfolded,theshortestroadfromAtoBisthestraightlineAB.AA=2πrφ=2πrsA=2πrh2+r2=2πλ1+λ2(assumeφ<π,i.e.λ<13orγ<30°)lengthofroad=LILI=AB=sA2+sB22sAsBcosφLI=h2+r2+h2(1+λ2)(1+λtanθ)22h(1+λ2)(h2+r2)1+λtanθcos2πλ1+λ2LIh=(1+λ2)[1+1(1+λtanθ)221+λtanθcos2πλ1+λ2]example:λ=13,θ=45°LIh=51210(12425cos10π5)1.552354weseebyroadI,thepointBisnotalwaysthehighestpointontheroad.thehighestpointontheroadhastheclosestdistancetothepeakP,thisisthepointM.sin(φ+α)sinα=sAsBsinφtanα+cosφ=1+λtanθtanα=sinφ1+λtanθcosφsM=PM=sAsinαsM=h1+λ2sinφ1+(1+λtanθ)(1+λtanθ2cosφ)

Commented by MJS_new last updated on 17/Feb/21

just saying, the shortest distance is straight  up the mountain and it′s also a route with  constant slope ;−)

justsaying,theshortestdistanceisstraightupthemountainanditsalsoaroutewithconstantslope;)

Commented by mr W last updated on 17/Feb/21

the roads should be around the  mountain, therefore the direct way  right up from A to B is not valid :(

theroadsshouldbearoundthemountain,thereforethedirectwayrightupfromAtoBisnotvalid:(

Commented by mr W last updated on 17/Feb/21

Commented by mr W last updated on 19/Feb/21

λ=(r/h)  s_A =(√(h^2 +r^2 ))=h (√(1+λ^2 ))  s_B =((h(√(1+λ^2 )))/(1+λtan θ))  ϕ=((2πλ)/( (√(1+λ^2 ))))  α=tan^(−1) ((sin ϕ)/(1+λtan θ−cos ϕ))  s=PC  (s/(sin α))=(s_A /(sin (α+δ)))  ⇒s=((h(√(1+λ^2 )))/(cos δ+((sin δ)/(tan α))))  (ds/dδ)=((s(sin δ−((cos δ)/(tan α))))/(cos δ+((sin δ)/(tan α))))=−(s/(tan (α+δ)))  φr=δs_A   ⇒φ=((δ(√(1+λ^2 )))/λ)  z=h−s cos γ=h−(s/( (√(1+λ^2 ))))  ρ=s sin γ=((λs)/( (√(1+λ^2 ))))  slope k=(dz/( (√((dρ)^2 +(ρdφ)^2 ))))  k=((−(dz/ds))/( (√(((dρ/ds))^2 +(((ρ×(dφ/dδ))/(ds/dδ)))^2 ))))  k=((1/( (√(1+λ^2 ))))/( (√(((λ/( (√(1+λ^2 )))))^2 +(((((λs)/( (√(1+λ^2 ))))×((√(1+λ^2 ))/λ))/(−(s/(tan (α+δ))))))^2 ))))  ⇒k=(1/( (√(λ^2 +(1+λ^2 )tan^2  (α+δ)))))    we see the maximum slope is at  δ=0, i.e. at point A, or at δ=ϕ, i.e.  at point B.  k_A =(1/( (√(λ^2 +(1+λ^2 )tan^2  (α))))) (uphill)  k_B =(1/( (√(λ^2 +(1+λ^2 )tan^2  (α+ϕ))))) (downhill)    the smallest slope is zero when  δ+α=(π/2)  this is at the point M, the highest  pioint on the road.    example:  λ=(1/3), θ=45°  ϕ=((2πλ)/( (√(1+λ^2 ))))=((2π)/( (√(10))))  tan α=((sin ϕ)/(1+λtan θ−cos ϕ))=((sin ((2π)/( (√(10)))))/((4/3)−cos ((2π)/( (√(10))))))  k_(max) =(3/( (√(1+10(((sin ((2π)/( (√(10)))))/((4/3)−cos ((2π)/( (√(10)))))))^2 ))))=1.544 858

λ=rhsA=h2+r2=h1+λ2sB=h1+λ21+λtanθφ=2πλ1+λ2α=tan1sinφ1+λtanθcosφs=PCssinα=sAsin(α+δ)s=h1+λ2cosδ+sinδtanαdsdδ=s(sinδcosδtanα)cosδ+sinδtanα=stan(α+δ)ϕr=δsAϕ=δ1+λ2λz=hscosγ=hs1+λ2ρ=ssinγ=λs1+λ2slopek=dz(dρ)2+(ρdϕ)2k=dzds(dρds)2+(ρ×dϕdδdsdδ)2k=11+λ2(λ1+λ2)2+(λs1+λ2×1+λ2λstan(α+δ))2k=1λ2+(1+λ2)tan2(α+δ)weseethemaximumslopeisatδ=0,i.e.atpointA,oratδ=φ,i.e.atpointB.kA=1λ2+(1+λ2)tan2(α)(uphill)kB=1λ2+(1+λ2)tan2(α+φ)(downhill)thesmallestslopeiszerowhenδ+α=π2thisisatthepointM,thehighestpiointontheroad.example:λ=13,θ=45°φ=2πλ1+λ2=2π10tanα=sinφ1+λtanθcosφ=sin2π1043cos2π10kmax=31+10(sin2π1043cos2π10)2=1.544858

Commented by MJS_new last updated on 17/Feb/21

the concept of the shortest distance around  the cone is fuzzy...  (1) if B=P it′s no more “around the cone”  (2) if ϕ=180° it′s straight up over the peak  (3) if ϕ>180° where is it?  (4) let B=A in cases (2) and (3)  this isn′t criticism, I′m just playing around  with it  if B is not 360° away from A it works better  because we could go the other direction...

theconceptoftheshortestdistancearoundtheconeisfuzzy...(1)ifB=Pitsnomorearoundthecone(2)ifφ=180°itsstraightupoverthepeak(3)ifφ>180°whereisit?(4)letB=Aincases(2)and(3)thisisntcriticism,ImjustplayingaroundwithitifBisnot360°awayfromAitworksbetterbecausewecouldgotheotherdirection...

Commented by mr W last updated on 18/Feb/21

i have added a restriction: h>(√3)r.  actually i′m also playing with it, so  all are allowed to play in their ways,  and you in your way.

ihaveaddedarestriction:h>3r.actuallyimalsoplayingwithit,soallareallowedtoplayintheirways,andyouinyourway.

Answered by mr W last updated on 18/Feb/21

Commented by mr W last updated on 18/Feb/21

Commented by mr W last updated on 19/Feb/21

we have got from road I:  tan γ=(r/h)=λ  s_A =h (√(1+λ^2 ))  s_B =((h(√(1+λ^2 )))/(1+λtan θ))  ϕ=((2πλ)/( (√(1+λ^2 ))))  s=PC  φr=δs_A   φ=((δ(√(1+λ^2 )))/λ)  z=C′C=h−s cos γ=h−(s/( (√(1+λ^2 ))))  ρ=OC′=s sin γ=((λs)/( (√(1+λ^2 ))))  slope k=(dz/( (√((dρ)^2 +(ρdφ)^2 ))))  k=((−(dz/ds))/( (√(((dρ/ds))^2 +(((ρ×(dφ/dδ))/(ds/dδ)))^2 ))))  k=((1/( (√(1+λ^2 ))))/( (√(((λ/( (√(1+λ^2 )))))^2 +(((((λs)/( (√(1+λ^2 ))))×((√(1+λ^2 ))/λ))/(ds/dδ)))^2 ))))  k=(1/( (√(λ^2 +(1+λ^2 )((s/(ds/dδ)))^2 ))))  (ds/dδ)=−(s/( (√((1/(1+λ^2 ))((1/( k^2 ))−λ^2 )))))  let ξ=(1/( (√((1/(1+λ^2 ))((1/( k^2 ))−λ^2 )))))  ∫_s_A  ^s (ds/s)=−ξ∫_0 ^δ dδ  ln s−ln s_A =−ξδ  s=s_A e^(−ξδ)   ⇒s=h(√(1+λ^2 ))e^(−ξδ)   s_B =h(√(1+λ^2 ))e^(−ξϕ) =((h(√(1+λ^2 )))/(1+λtan θ))  e^(−ξϕ) =(1/(1+λtan θ))  ξ=((ln (1+λtan θ))/ϕ)  (1/( (√((1/(1+λ^2 ))((1/( k^2 ))−λ^2 )))))=((ln (1+λtan θ))/ϕ)  (1/( (1/( k^2 ))−λ^2 ))=((ln^2  (1+λtan θ))/((1+λ^2 )ϕ^2 ))  (1/k^2 )=λ^2 +(((1+λ^2 )ϕ^2 )/( ln^2  (1+λtan θ)))=λ^2 +((4π^2 λ^2 )/( ln^2  (1+λtan θ)))  ⇒k=(1/( λ(√(1+[((2π)/( ln (1+λtan θ)))]^2 ))))    length of road L_(II)   L_(II) =∫_0 ^ϕ (√(s^2 +((ds/dδ))^2 ))dδ  L_(II) =h(√(1+λ^2 ))∫_0 ^ϕ e^(−ξδ) (√(1+ξ^2 ))dδ  (L_(II) /h)=(((1−e^(−ξϕ) )(√((1+λ^2 )(1+ξ^2 ))))/ξ)  ⇒(L_(II) /h)=(1−(1/(1+λtan θ)))(√(1+λ^2 +[((2πλ)/(ln (1+λtan θ)))]^2 ))  or  L_(II) =((√(1+k^2 ))/k)(s_A −s_B )cos γ  L_(II) =h(√(1+(1/k^2 )))(1−(1/(1+λtan θ)))  ⇒(L_(II) /h)=(1−(1/(1+λtan θ)))(√(1+λ^2 +[((2πλ)/( ln (1+λtan θ)))]^2 ))    example:  λ=(1/3), θ=45°  (L_(II) /h)=(1/(12))(√(10+(((2π)/( ln (4/3))))^2 ))≈1.839 039 058  k=(3/( (√(1+(((2π)/( ln (4/3))))^2 ))))=0.137 214

wehavegotfromroadI:tanγ=rh=λsA=h1+λ2sB=h1+λ21+λtanθφ=2πλ1+λ2s=PCϕr=δsAϕ=δ1+λ2λz=CC=hscosγ=hs1+λ2ρ=OC=ssinγ=λs1+λ2slopek=dz(dρ)2+(ρdϕ)2k=dzds(dρds)2+(ρ×dϕdδdsdδ)2k=11+λ2(λ1+λ2)2+(λs1+λ2×1+λ2λdsdδ)2k=1λ2+(1+λ2)(sdsdδ)2dsdδ=s11+λ2(1k2λ2)letξ=111+λ2(1k2λ2)sAsdss=ξ0δdδlnslnsA=ξδs=sAeξδs=h1+λ2eξδsB=h1+λ2eξφ=h1+λ21+λtanθeξφ=11+λtanθξ=ln(1+λtanθ)φ111+λ2(1k2λ2)=ln(1+λtanθ)φ11k2λ2=ln2(1+λtanθ)(1+λ2)φ21k2=λ2+(1+λ2)φ2ln2(1+λtanθ)=λ2+4π2λ2ln2(1+λtanθ)k=1λ1+[2πln(1+λtanθ)]2lengthofroadLIILII=0φs2+(dsdδ)2dδLII=h1+λ20φeξδ1+ξ2dδLIIh=(1eξφ)(1+λ2)(1+ξ2)ξLIIh=(111+λtanθ)1+λ2+[2πλln(1+λtanθ)]2orLII=1+k2k(sAsB)cosγLII=h1+1k2(111+λtanθ)LIIh=(111+λtanθ)1+λ2+[2πλln(1+λtanθ)]2example:λ=13,θ=45°LIIh=11210+(2πln43)21.839039058k=31+(2πln43)2=0.137214

Commented by mr W last updated on 18/Feb/21

Commented by mr W last updated on 18/Feb/21

Commented by mr W last updated on 18/Feb/21

we see that both routes don′t cross in  the middle.

weseethatbothroutesdontcrossinthemiddle.

Commented by otchereabdullai@gmail.com last updated on 23/Feb/21

the supper prof!

thesupperprof!

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