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Question Number 152388 by ajfour last updated on 28/Aug/21

Commented by ajfour last updated on 28/Aug/21

Find the maximum speed u,  that can be given to the solid  ball, so that it goes through the  paraboloid ditch y=x^2 −b^2   and emerges out at speed u,  having purely rolled all along.  (assume upper limit of coeff.    of friction to be μ everywhere)

Findthemaximumspeedu,thatcanbegiventothesolidball,sothatitgoesthroughtheparaboloidditchy=x2b2andemergesoutatspeedu,havingpurelyrolledallalong.(assumeupperlimitofcoeff.offrictiontobeμeverywhere)

Commented by mr W last updated on 28/Aug/21

seems to be very hard

seemstobeveryhard

Commented by ajfour last updated on 28/Aug/21

Commented by ajfour last updated on 29/Aug/21

say at vertex ball is given a  max rolling speed so that it  cones over without slipping.  so, consider v reversed in  diagram above.  I=(2/5)mr^2 +mr^2 =I_0 +A  (1/2)I(ω_0 ^2 −ω^2 )=mg(b^2 +rcos θ)  ⇒  (7/(10))(u^2 −v^2 )=g(b^2 +rcos θ)  {  v^2 =u^2 −((10g)/7)(b^2 +rcos θ)  }  ★  differentiating wrt θ  [    ((mvdv)/(rdθ))=((5mgsin θ)/7)   ]   ★  mgcos θ−N=((mv^2 )/r)  ⇒  N=m(gcos θ−(v^2 /r))  (normal rxn goes ↓ with θ)  mgsin θ−f=m((vdv)/(rdθ))  dynamic   μ=(f/N) ≤μ_0  (in Q)     mgsin θ−((mdv)/(rdθ))=μm(gcos θ−(v^2 /r))    μ(u,θ)=((grsin θ−((10grsin θ)/7)+u^2 )/((grcos θ−v^2 )))  μ(u,θ)=((grsin θ−((10grsin θ)/7)+u^2 )/(grcos θ−u^2 +((10g)/7)(b^2 +rcos θ)))  μ(u,θ)=((7(u^2 /gr)−3sin θ)/(17cos θ+10(b^2 /r)−7(u^2 /gr)))  (∂μ/∂θ)=(((−3cos θ){17cos θ+10B−7U}−{7U−3sin θ}(−17sin θ))/([17U+10B−7U]^2 ))  (∂μ/∂θ)=0  ⇒  51cos^2 θ+30Bcos θ−21Ucos θ    =119Usin θ−51sin^2 θ  ⇒  U(21cos θ+119sin θ)=51+30Bcos θ      .......∗∗  Now    μ(θ)=((7U−3sin θ)/(17cos θ+10B−7U))=μ_0   hence  7(1+μ_0 )(((51+30Bcos θ)/(21cos θ+119sin θ)))     = 3sin θ+μ_0 (17cos θ+10B)  from above we get θ=δ  U=((51+30Bcos δ)/(21cos δ+119sin δ))   U=(u^2 /(rg))     then for θ=0°  {  v^2 =u^2 −((10g)/7)(b^2 +rcos θ)  }  ★  gives  (v^2 )_Q =rg(((51+30Bcos δ)/(21cos δ+119sin δ)))                   −((10g)/7)(b^2 +r)     _____________________

sayatvertexballisgivenamaxrollingspeedsothatitconesoverwithoutslipping.so,considervreversedindiagramabove.I=25mr2+mr2=I0+A12I(ω02ω2)=mg(b2+rcosθ)710(u2v2)=g(b2+rcosθ){v2=u210g7(b2+rcosθ)}differentiatingwrtθ[mvdvrdθ=5mgsinθ7]mgcosθN=mv2rN=m(gcosθv2r)(normalrxngoeswithθ)mgsinθf=mvdvrdθdynamicμ=fNμ0(inQ)mgsinθmdvrdθ=μm(gcosθv2r)μ(u,θ)=grsinθ10grsinθ7+u2(grcosθv2)μ(u,θ)=grsinθ10grsinθ7+u2grcosθu2+10g7(b2+rcosθ)μ(u,θ)=7(u2/gr)3sinθ17cosθ+10(b2/r)7(u2/gr)μθ=(3cosθ){17cosθ+10B7U}{7U3sinθ}(17sinθ)[17U+10B7U]2μθ=051cos2θ+30Bcosθ21Ucosθ=119Usinθ51sin2θU(21cosθ+119sinθ)=51+30Bcosθ.......Nowμ(θ)=7U3sinθ17cosθ+10B7U=μ0hence7(1+μ0)(51+30Bcosθ21cosθ+119sinθ)=3sinθ+μ0(17cosθ+10B)fromabovewegetθ=δU=51+30Bcosδ21cosδ+119sinδU=u2rgthenforθ=0°{v2=u210g7(b2+rcosθ)}gives(v2)Q=rg(51+30Bcosδ21cosδ+119sinδ)10g7(b2+r)_____________________

Commented by ajfour last updated on 29/Aug/21

have assumed r≤R  (d^2 y/dx^2 )=2   &  from  x^2 +(y−R)^2 =R^2   2x+2(y−R)(dy/dx)=0  (dy/dx)=(x/(R−y))  (d^2 y/dx^2 )=((R−y+(x^2 /(R−y)))/((R−y)^2 ))=2  ⇒   now  x=0 , y=0  ⇒   R=(1/2)    so    r≤R=(1/2) unit  unit comes from  unit of y  of parabola.  say if  track is 1m deep, then  width is 2m; while r≤(1/2)m.

haveassumedrRd2ydx2=2&fromx2+(yR)2=R22x+2(yR)dydx=0dydx=xRyd2ydx2=Ry+x2Ry(Ry)2=2nowx=0,y=0R=12sorR=12unitunitcomesfromunitofyofparabola.sayiftrackis1mdeep,thenwidthis2m;whiler12m.

Commented by mr W last updated on 29/Aug/21

i think in mgcos θ−N=((mv^2 )/r)  r should be the radius of the locus  of the center of the ball,not the   radius of the ball.

ithinkinmgcosθN=mv2rrshouldbetheradiusofthelocusofthecenteroftheball,nottheradiusoftheball.

Commented by ajfour last updated on 29/Aug/21

ball is turning about the edge  so center of ball goes about the  edge in a circle of radius r only.

ballisturningabouttheedgesocenterofballgoesabouttheedgeinacircleofradiusronly.

Commented by mr W last updated on 29/Aug/21

yes, at that point.

yes,atthatpoint.

Answered by mr W last updated on 28/Aug/21

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