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Question Number 161783 by ajfour last updated on 22/Dec/21

Commented by ajfour last updated on 22/Dec/21

Cylinder is free to purely roll, find  radius, if point mass ball is to be  received successfully.

Cylinderisfreetopurelyroll,findradius,ifpointmassballistobereceivedsuccessfully.

Commented by ajfour last updated on 22/Dec/21

Left d job, shall hunt online..

Commented by mr W last updated on 22/Dec/21

welcome back sir!

welcomebacksir!

Commented by ajfour last updated on 22/Dec/21

thank you sir, wont u try this question..

thankyousir,wontutrythisquestion..

Commented by mr W last updated on 23/Dec/21

i′ll try how far i can go.

illtryhowfaricango.

Answered by mr W last updated on 23/Dec/21

Commented by mr W last updated on 23/Dec/21

x_1 =s  ϕ=(s/R)  let ω=(dθ/dt)  x_2 =s−R sin θ  y_2 =R(1+cos θ)  V=(ds/dt)=ω(ds/dθ)  A=(dV/dt)=ω(dV/dθ)  N sin θ R=(((MR^2 )/2)+MR^2 )((A/R))  ⇒N=((3MA)/(2 sin θ))=((3M)/(2 sin θ))×((ωdV)/dθ)  N=0 ⇔ (dV/dθ)=0  v_x =(dx_2 /dt)=V−R cos θ ω  v_y =(dy_2 /dt)=−R sin θ ω  (m/2)(v_x ^2 +v_y ^2 )+(1/2)×((3MR^2 )/2)×((V/R))^2 =mgR(1−cos θ)  v_x ^2 +v_y ^2 +((3MV^2 )/(2m))=2gR(1−cos θ)  V^2 +R^2 ω^2 −2VRω cos θ+((3MV^2 )/(2m))=2gR(1−cos θ)  ω^2 −((2g(1−cos θ))/R)−2ω cos θ((V/R))+(((3M)/(2m))+1)((V/R))^2 =0  ⇒(V/R)=((ω cos θ+(√(ω^2 (cos^2  θ−μ)+((2μg(1−cos θ))/R))))/μ)   with μ=((3M)/(2m))+1  ((ωds)/(Rdθ))=((ω cos θ+(√(ω^2 (cos^2  θ−μ)+((2μg(1−cos θ))/R))))/μ)  (ds/dθ)=R×((cos θ+(√(cos^2  θ−μ+((2μg(1−cos θ))/(Rω^2 )))))/μ)  ⇒s=R∫_0 ^θ ((cos θ+(√(cos^2  θ−μ+((2μg(1−cos θ))/(Rω^2 )))))/μ)dθ  a_x =(dv_x /dt)=((ωd)/dθ)(V−R cos θ ω)=ω((dV/dθ)−Rcos θ (dω/dθ)+R sin θ ω)  a_y =(dv_y /dt)=((ωd)/dθ)(−R sin θ ω)=ω(−R sin θ (dω/dθ)−R cos θ ω)  ma_x =−N sin θ  mω((dV/dθ)−Rcos θ (dω/dθ)+R sin θ ω)=−((3M)/2)×((ωdV)/dθ)  ⇒μ(d/dθ)((V/R))−cos θ (dω/dθ)+sin θ ω=0  ma_y =N cos θ−mg  mω(−R sin θ (dω/dθ)−R cos θ ω)=((3M)/(2 sin θ))×((ωdV)/dθ) cos θ−mg  ⇒((3M)/(2m))×(d/dθ)((V/R))=(g/(ωR))−(sin θ (dω/dθ)+cos θ ω)tan θ  ((3M)/(2mμ))cos θ (dω/dθ)−((3M)/(2mμ))sin θ ω=(g/(ωR))−((sin^2  θ)/(cos θ)) (dω/dθ)−sin θ ω   determinant ((((((3M)/(3M+2m))+tan^2  θ)cos θ (dω/dθ)−(((2m)/(3M+2m)))sin θ ω−(g/(ωR))=0)))  solve this d.e. (hard to do!)for ω=f(θ)   under ω=0 at θ=0  .......  once we have ω=f(θ), we also get (V/R).  from (d/dθ)((V/R))=0 we get θ_1  at which the  small ball loses contact to cylinder.  we also get the v_x  and v_y  at this instant.  upon now the small ball has the  motion of projectile and we can find  the position where it hits the ground.

x1=sφ=sRletω=dθdtx2=sRsinθy2=R(1+cosθ)V=dsdt=ωdsdθA=dVdt=ωdVdθNsinθR=(MR22+MR2)(AR)N=3MA2sinθ=3M2sinθ×ωdVdθN=0dVdθ=0vx=dx2dt=VRcosθωvy=dy2dt=Rsinθωm2(vx2+vy2)+12×3MR22×(VR)2=mgR(1cosθ)vx2+vy2+3MV22m=2gR(1cosθ)V2+R2ω22VRωcosθ+3MV22m=2gR(1cosθ)ω22g(1cosθ)R2ωcosθ(VR)+(3M2m+1)(VR)2=0VR=ωcosθ+ω2(cos2θμ)+2μg(1cosθ)Rμwithμ=3M2m+1ωdsRdθ=ωcosθ+ω2(cos2θμ)+2μg(1cosθ)Rμdsdθ=R×cosθ+cos2θμ+2μg(1cosθ)Rω2μs=R0θcosθ+cos2θμ+2μg(1cosθ)Rω2μdθax=dvxdt=ωddθ(VRcosθω)=ω(dVdθRcosθdωdθ+Rsinθω)ay=dvydt=ωddθ(Rsinθω)=ω(RsinθdωdθRcosθω)max=Nsinθmω(dVdθRcosθdωdθ+Rsinθω)=3M2×ωdVdθμddθ(VR)cosθdωdθ+sinθω=0may=Ncosθmgmω(RsinθdωdθRcosθω)=3M2sinθ×ωdVdθcosθmg3M2m×ddθ(VR)=gωR(sinθdωdθ+cosθω)tanθ3M2mμcosθdωdθ3M2mμsinθω=gωRsin2θcosθdωdθsinθω(3M3M+2m+tan2θ)cosθdωdθ(2m3M+2m)sinθωgωR=0solvethisd.e.(hardtodo!)forω=f(θ)underω=0atθ=0.......oncewehaveω=f(θ),wealsogetVR.fromddθ(VR)=0wegetθ1atwhichthesmallballlosescontacttocylinder.wealsogetthevxandvyatthisinstant.uponnowthesmallballhasthemotionofprojectileandwecanfindthepositionwhereithitstheground.

Commented by mr W last updated on 23/Dec/21

that′s the point i can maximally come  to.

thatsthepointicanmaximallycometo.

Commented by Tawa11 last updated on 23/Dec/21

Great sir

Greatsir

Commented by ajfour last updated on 23/Dec/21

mg(2R)=(1/2)(((mR^2 )/2))ω^2 +(1/2)m(v_x ^2 +v_y ^2 )                          +mgR(1+cos θ)   ...(i)           (energy conservation)  mv_x =mωR    (linear momentum                 ..(ii)                  conservation)  mx=ms   ..(iii)    (center of mass )  2s=Rcos θ  ..)iv)  mv_x R(1+cos θ)+mv_y x             =((mR^2 )/2)ω+mR^2 ω   ...(v)  (angular momentum conservation)  now   v_y t+(1/2)gt^2 =R(1+cos θ) ..(vi)              v_x t=(b−x)   ..(vii)     ................................................  so   v_x =ωR  (b−((Rcos θ)/2))((v_y /(ωR)))+(1/2)(g/(ω^2 R^2 ))(b−((Rcos θ)/2))^2     =R(1+cos θ)  say  (b/R)=λ   ;  (v_y /(ωR))=μ  4(2λ−cos θ)μ+(g/(ω^2 R))(2λ−cos θ)^2 μ^2                =8(1+cos θ)     .....(A)    λ =?   (so we need   μ and cos θ)  and from ..(v)  2(1+cos θ)+μcos θ=3  ⇒  cos θ=(1/(2+μ))  And from ..(i)  ((8g)/R)=ω^2 +2ω^2 (1+μ^2 )+((4g)/R)(1+cos θ)  ⇒  ω^2 =((4g)/R)(((1−cos θ)/(3+2μ^2 )))   ...(I)  ⇒    ω^2 R=4g(((1−(1/(2+μ)))/(3+2μ^2 )))  also     (2ωRcos θ)^2 +(μωRsin θ)^2                 =gRcos θ  ⇒ ω^2 = (g/R)(((cos θ)/(4cos^2 θ+μ^2 sin^2 θ)))  ..(II)  from  ...(I) & (II)  4(1−cos θ)(4cos^2 θ+μ^2 sin^2 θ)       =cos θ(3+2μ^2 )  but  cos θ=(1/(2+μ))  hence we obtain 𝛍 from  4(1−(1/(2+μ))){((2/(2+μ)))^2 +(μ^2 /(1−(1/((2+μ)^2 ))))}        =(((3+2μ^2 )/(2+μ)))  and now  eq..(A)    gives us λ=(b/R)

mg(2R)=12(mR22)ω2+12m(vx2+vy2)+mgR(1+cosθ)...(i)(energyconservation)mvx=mωR(linearmomentum..(ii)conservation)mx=ms..(iii)(centerofmass)2s=Rcosθ..)iv)mvxR(1+cosθ)+mvyx=mR22ω+mR2ω...(v)(angularmomentumconservation)nowvyt+12gt2=R(1+cosθ)..(vi)vxt=(bx)..(vii)................................................sovx=ωR(bRcosθ2)(vyωR)+12gω2R2(bRcosθ2)2=R(1+cosθ)saybR=λ;vyωR=μ4(2λcosθ)μ+gω2R(2λcosθ)2μ2=8(1+cosθ).....(A)λ=?(soweneedμandcosθ)andfrom..(v)2(1+cosθ)+μcosθ=3cosθ=12+μAndfrom..(i)8gR=ω2+2ω2(1+μ2)+4gR(1+cosθ)ω2=4gR(1cosθ3+2μ2)...(I)ω2R=4g(112+μ3+2μ2)also(2ωRcosθ)2+(μωRsinθ)2=gRcosθω2=gR(cosθ4cos2θ+μ2sin2θ)..(II)from...(I)&(II)4(1cosθ)(4cos2θ+μ2sin2θ)=cosθ(3+2μ2)butcosθ=12+μhenceweobtainμfrom4(112+μ){(22+μ)2+μ211(2+μ)2}=(3+2μ22+μ)andnoweq..(A)givesusλ=bR

Commented by mr W last updated on 23/Dec/21

great!  i need some time to follow it.  i think with ω you don′t mean  ω=(dθ/dt), right?

great!ineedsometimetofollowit.ithinkwithωyoudontmeanω=dθdt,right?

Commented by ajfour last updated on 23/Dec/21

yeah its not (dθ/dt) , its the angular  velocity of rotation of the cylinder.

yeahitsnotdθdt,itstheangularvelocityofrotationofthecylinder.

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