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Question Number 164345 by mr W last updated on 16/Jan/22

Commented by mr W last updated on 18/Jan/22

rod with mass m and length b rests  in a frictionless parabolic cup as  shown. find the time period of  oscillations of the rod.

rodwithmassmandlengthbrestsinafrictionlessparaboliccupasshown.findthetimeperiodofoscillationsoftherod.

Answered by ajfour last updated on 16/Jan/22

part (I):  find equilibrium position  y=x^2     ,   y=xtan θ+c=sx+c  x^2 =sx+c  x=(s/2)±(√((s^2 /4)+c))  2(√((s^2 /4)+c)) (√(1+s^2 ))=b=2a  ⇒   4((s^2 /4)+c)(1+s^2 )=b^2   ⇒   c=(a^2 /(1+s^2 ))−(s^2 /4)  Y=y_(cm) =(s^2 /4)+(a^2 /(1+s^2 ))  (dY/ds)=(s/2)−((2a^2 s)/((1+s^2 )^2 ))=0  ⇒    1+s^2 =2a       θ=tan^(−1) (√(2a−1))  x=(((√(2a−1))±(√(2a)))/2)

part(I):findequilibriumpositiony=x2,y=xtanθ+c=sx+cx2=sx+cx=s2±s24+c2s24+c1+s2=b=2a4(s24+c)(1+s2)=b2c=a21+s2s24Y=ycm=s24+a21+s2dYds=s22a2s(1+s2)2=01+s2=2aθ=tan12a1x=2a1±2a2

Commented by mr W last updated on 17/Jan/22

Y=y_(cm) =y of center of mass?

Y=ycm=yofcenterofmass?

Commented by ajfour last updated on 18/Jan/22

yes sir.

Commented by mr W last updated on 18/Jan/22

great! we can get the equilibrium  position also through (dY/ds), i.e. the  com is lowest (or highest).

great!wecangettheequilibriumpositionalsothroughdYds,i.e.thecomislowest(orhighest).

Answered by mr W last updated on 17/Jan/22

Commented by mr W last updated on 18/Jan/22

see also Q164073  parabola y=(x^2 /a) with a=1 here  length of rod is b.  C=center of mass  say the end points of the rod are  A(−p, (p^2 /a)), B(q, (q^2 /a))  tan φ=−(dy/dx)∣_(x=−p) =((2p)/a)  tan ϕ=(dy/dx)∣_(x=q) =((2q)/a)  tan γ=(((q^2 /a)−(p^2 /a))/(q+p))=((q^2 −p^2 )/(a(q+p)))=((q−p)/a)  α=(π/2)−φ−γ  β=(π/2)−ϕ+γ  ((SC)/(AC))=((sin α)/(sin φ))=((sin ((π/2)−φ−γ))/(sin φ))=((cos (φ+γ))/(sin φ))  ((SC)/(CB))=((sin β)/(sin ϕ))=((sin ((π/2)−ϕ+γ))/(sin ϕ))=((cos (ϕ−γ))/(sin ϕ))  since AC=CB=(b/2),  ((cos (φ+γ))/(sin φ))=((cos (ϕ−γ))/(sin ϕ))  ((cos φ cos γ−sin φ sin γ)/(sin φ))=((cos ϕ cos γ+sin ϕ sin γ)/(sin ϕ))  ((cos γ)/(tan φ))−sin γ=((cos γ)/(tan ϕ))+sin γ  (1/(tan φ))−(1/(tan ϕ))=2 tan γ  (a/(2p))−(a/(2q))=((2(q−p))/a)  ((q−p)/(pq))=((4(q−p))/a^2 )  ⇒q−p=0 ⇒p=q ⇒horizontal position  or  ⇒(1/(pq))=(4/a^2 )  ⇒pq=(a^2 /4) ⇒inclined position  we consider the inclined position  of rod, which is generally the only   stable equilibrium position.  (q+p)^2 +((q^2 /a)−(p^2 /a))^2 =b^2   (q+p)^2 [1+(((q−p)^2 )/a^2 )]=b^2   (q+p)^2 [1+(((q+p)^2 −4pq)/a^2 )]=b^2   (q+p)^2 [1+(((q+p)^2 −a^2 )/a^2 )]=b^2   (q+p)^4 =a^2 b^2   ⇒p+q=(√(ab))  p and q are roots of  z^2 −(√(ab))z+(a^2 /4)=0  ⇒p=(((√(ab))−(√(a(b−a))))/2)  ⇒q=(((√(ab))+(√(a(b−a))))/2)  tan (ϕ+φ)=((((2p)/a)+((2q)/a))/(1−((2p)/a)×((2q)/a)))=((2a(p+q))/(a^2 −4pq))=((2a(p+q))/(a^2 −a^2 ))  ⇒ϕ+φ=90° ⇒SA⊥SB  ⇒SC=((AB)/2)=(b/2)  h=SC×θ=((bθ)/2)  I_S =((mb^2 )/(12))+m((b/2))^2 =((mb^2 )/3)  I_S  (d^2 θ/dt^2 )=−mgh  ((mb^2 )/3) (d^2 θ/dt^2 )=−mg((bθ)/2)   (d^2 θ/dt^2 )+((3g)/(2b))θ=0  ω=(√((3g)/(2b)))  ⇒T=((2π)/ω)=2π(√((2b)/(3g)))

seealsoQ164073parabolay=x2awitha=1herelengthofrodisb.C=centerofmasssaytheendpointsoftherodareA(p,p2a),B(q,q2a)tanϕ=dydxx=p=2patanφ=dydxx=q=2qatanγ=q2ap2aq+p=q2p2a(q+p)=qpaα=π2ϕγβ=π2φ+γSCAC=sinαsinϕ=sin(π2ϕγ)sinϕ=cos(ϕ+γ)sinϕSCCB=sinβsinφ=sin(π2φ+γ)sinφ=cos(φγ)sinφsinceAC=CB=b2,cos(ϕ+γ)sinϕ=cos(φγ)sinφcosϕcosγsinϕsinγsinϕ=cosφcosγ+sinφsinγsinφcosγtanϕsinγ=cosγtanφ+sinγ1tanϕ1tanφ=2tanγa2pa2q=2(qp)aqppq=4(qp)a2qp=0p=qhorizontalpositionor1pq=4a2pq=a24inclinedpositionweconsidertheinclinedpositionofrod,whichisgenerallytheonlystableequilibriumposition.(q+p)2+(q2ap2a)2=b2(q+p)2[1+(qp)2a2]=b2(q+p)2[1+(q+p)24pqa2]=b2(q+p)2[1+(q+p)2a2a2]=b2(q+p)4=a2b2p+q=abpandqarerootsofz2abz+a24=0p=aba(ba)2q=ab+a(ba)2tan(φ+ϕ)=2pa+2qa12pa×2qa=2a(p+q)a24pq=2a(p+q)a2a2φ+ϕ=90°SASBSC=AB2=b2h=SC×θ=bθ2IS=mb212+m(b2)2=mb23ISd2θdt2=mghmb23d2θdt2=mgbθ2d2θdt2+3g2bθ=0ω=3g2bT=2πω=2π2b3g

Commented by mr W last updated on 18/Jan/22

T is only dependent from the length  of the rod, not from the shape of   parabola (parameter a). this is  due to SA⊥SC and therefore SC=(b/2).   the oscillations of the rod in a   parabolic cup of any shape are always  the same as of following compound  pendulum whose period is  T=2π(√(I/(mgL)))  I=((mb^2 )/3), L=(b/2)

Tisonlydependentfromthelengthoftherod,notfromtheshapeofparabola(parametera).thisisduetoSASCandthereforeSC=b2.theoscillationsoftherodinaparaboliccupofanyshapearealwaysthesameasoffollowingcompoundpendulumwhoseperiodisT=2πImgLI=mb23,L=b2

Commented by mr W last updated on 18/Jan/22

Commented by Tawa11 last updated on 18/Jan/22

Great sirs

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