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Question Number 166036 by mr W last updated on 12/Feb/22

Commented by mr W last updated on 12/Feb/22

if the chords on a quater circle have  the length a, b, c respectively, find  the radius R of the quater circle in  terms of a, b, c.

ifthechordsonaquatercirclehavethelengtha,b,crespectively,findtheradiusRofthequatercircleintermsofa,b,c.

Commented by ajfour last updated on 13/Feb/22

great!

great!

Answered by Rasheed.Sindhi last updated on 12/Feb/22

A Try  a^2 =R^2 +R^2 −2.R.R.cos α   { ((a^2 =2R^2 (1−cos α))),((b^2 =2R^2 (1−cos β))),((c^2 =2R^2 (1−cos γ))) :} ; α+β+γ=90  R^2 =(a^2 /(2(1−cos α)))=(b^2 /(2(1−cos β)))=(c^2 /(2(1−cos γ)))  3R^2 =((a^2 +b^2 +c^2 )/(2(3−(cos α+cos β+cos γ))))  3R^2 =((a^2 +b^2 +c^2 )/(2(3−(cos α+cos β+cos(90−(α+β)))))  3R^2 =((a^2 +b^2 +c^2 )/(2(3−(cos α+cos β+sin(α+β)))))  R^2 =((a^2 +b^2 +c^2 )/(6(3−(cos α+cos β+sin(α+β)))))  I think R is also dependant on α,β

ATrya2=R2+R22.R.R.cosα{a2=2R2(1cosα)b2=2R2(1cosβ)c2=2R2(1cosγ);α+β+γ=90R2=a22(1cosα)=b22(1cosβ)=c22(1cosγ)3R2=a2+b2+c22(3(cosα+cosβ+cosγ))3R2=a2+b2+c22(3(cosα+cosβ+cos(90(α+β)))3R2=a2+b2+c22(3(cosα+cosβ+sin(α+β)))R2=a2+b2+c26(3(cosα+cosβ+sin(α+β)))IthinkRisalsodependantonα,β

Commented by mr W last updated on 12/Feb/22

you have  sin (α/2)=(a/(2R)) ⇒(α/2)=sin^(−1) (a/(2R))  sin (β/2)=(b/(2R))⇒(β/2)=sin^(−1) (b/(2R))  sin (γ/2)=(c/(2R))⇒(γ/2)=sin^(−1) (c/(2R))  (α/2)+(β/2)+(γ/2)=(π/4)  ⇒sin^(−1) (a/(2R))+sin^(−1) (b/(2R))+sin^(−1) (c/(2R))=(π/4)  there is an unique solution for R,  but we can not solve it in exact form  in terms of a, b, c.

youhavesinα2=a2Rα2=sin1a2Rsinβ2=b2Rβ2=sin1b2Rsinγ2=c2Rγ2=sin1c2Rα2+β2+γ2=π4sin1a2R+sin1b2R+sin1c2R=π4thereisanuniquesolutionforR,butwecannotsolveitinexactformintermsofa,b,c.

Commented by mahdipoor last updated on 12/Feb/22

⇒0=cos90=cos(α+β+λ)=  cosα.cosβ.cosλ−sinβ.sinα.cosλ−  sinλ.sinα.cosβ−sinλ.sinβ.cosα  ,  u^2 =2R^2 (1−cosv)  ⇒ { ((cosv=1−(u/( (√2)R)))),((sinv=(√((√2)(u/R)−(u^2 /(2R^2 )))))) :}

0=cos90=cos(α+β+λ)=cosα.cosβ.cosλsinβ.sinα.cosλsinλ.sinα.cosβsinλ.sinβ.cosα,u2=2R2(1cosv){cosv=1u2Rsinv=2uRu22R2

Commented by Rasheed.Sindhi last updated on 12/Feb/22

You′re right mr W sir, Iconcluded  so becsuse I saw that cos α+cos β+sin(α+β)  is not constant! But inspite this  it may be dependant upon a,b & c.

YourerightmrWsir,IconcludedsobecsuseIsawthatcosα+cosβ+sin(α+β)isnotconstant!Butinspitethisitmaybedependantupona,b&c.

Commented by mr W last updated on 13/Feb/22

we can transform the equation to:  4R^6 −4(a^2 +b^2 +c^2 )R^4 −6(√2)abcR^3 +(a^4 +b^4 +c^4 )R^2 +(√2)abc(a^2 +b^2 +c^2 )R+a^2 b^2 c^2 =0  but still not solvable.

wecantransformtheequationto:4R64(a2+b2+c2)R462abcR3+(a4+b4+c4)R2+2abc(a2+b2+c2)R+a2b2c2=0butstillnotsolvable.

Commented by Rasheed.Sindhi last updated on 12/Feb/22

Nice relation sir!

Nicerelationsir!

Commented by ajfour last updated on 13/Feb/22

θ+ψ=(π/4)−φ  cos (θ+ψ)=(1/( (√2))){cos φ+sin φ}  (√(1−p^2 ))(√(1−r^2 ))−pr=(1/( (√2))){(√(1−q^2 ))+q}  (1−p^2 )(1−r^2 )+((1−q^2 )/2)     −(√2)(√(1−q^2 ))(√(1−p^2 ))(√(1−r^2 ))      =p^2 r^2 +(q^2 /2)+(√2)pqr  ⇒ { (3/2)−(p^2 +r^2 +q^2 )−(√2)pqr}^2       =2(1−p^2 )(1−q^2 )(1−r^2 )  ⇒ (9/4)+(p^2 +q^2 +r^2 )^2 +2p^2 q^2 r^2   −3(p^2 +r^2 +q^2 )−3(√2)pqr  +2(√2)pqr(p^2 +q^2 +r^2 )    =2−p^2 q^2 r^2 +2(p^2 q^2 +q^2 r^2 +r^2 p^2 )  ⇒    p^4 +q^4 +r^4 +(1/4)+3p^2 q^2 r^2     +2(√2)pqr(p^2 +q^2 +r^2 )     −3(p^2 +q^2 +r^2 )=0  say  (1/(2R))=t  ⇒  (3a^2 b^2 c^2 )t^6 +2(√2)abc(a^2 +b^2 +c^2 )t^5     +(a^4 +b^4 +c^4 )t^4     −3(a^2 +b^2 +c^2 )t^2 +(1/4)=0

θ+ψ=π4ϕcos(θ+ψ)=12{cosϕ+sinϕ}1p21r2pr=12{1q2+q}(1p2)(1r2)+1q2221q21p21r2=p2r2+q22+2pqr{32(p2+r2+q2)2pqr}2=2(1p2)(1q2)(1r2)94+(p2+q2+r2)2+2p2q2r23(p2+r2+q2)32pqr+22pqr(p2+q2+r2)=2p2q2r2+2(p2q2+q2r2+r2p2)p4+q4+r4+14+3p2q2r2+22pqr(p2+q2+r2)3(p2+q2+r2)=0say12R=t(3a2b2c2)t6+22abc(a2+b2+c2)t5+(a4+b4+c4)t43(a2+b2+c2)t2+14=0

Answered by ajfour last updated on 15/Feb/22

((abc)/(2R))=casin β=absin γ=bcsin α=p  let ((abc)/(2r))=q    q=casin 2β=absin 2γ=bcsin 2α  α+β+γ=(π/4)  sin 2β=cos (2α+2γ)  (q/(ac))=(√(1−((q/(bc)))^2 ))(√(1−((q/(ab)))^2 ))                −(q^2 /(b^2 ac))  ⇒ (q^2 /(a^2 c^2 ))+(q^4 /(b^4 a^2 c^2 ))+((2q^3 )/(a^2 b^2 c^2 ))           =1−(q^2 /(a^2 b^2 c^2 ))(a^2 +c^2 )+(q^4 /(b^4 a^2 c^2 ))  ⇒  2q^3 +(a^2 +b^2 +c^2 )q^2 −a^2 b^2 c^2 =0  say we obtained q.     Now  (q/p)=2cos β  ⇒   q^2 =4p^2 (1−(b^2 /(4R^2 )))=4p^2 (1−(p^2 /(a^2 c^2 )))  ⇒ p^4 −a^2 c^2 p^2 +((a^2 c^2 q^2 )/4)=0    p^2 =(((abc)/(2R)))^2 =((a^2 c^2 )/2)±(√(((a^2 c^2 )/4)(a^2 c^2 −q^2 )))  ⇒  R^2 =(b^2 /2)((q/(ac)))^2 {1∓(√(1−((q/(ac)))^2 ))}

abc2R=casinβ=absinγ=bcsinα=pletabc2r=qq=casin2β=absin2γ=bcsin2αα+β+γ=π4sin2β=cos(2α+2γ)qac=1(qbc)21(qab)2q2b2acq2a2c2+q4b4a2c2+2q3a2b2c2=1q2a2b2c2(a2+c2)+q4b4a2c22q3+(a2+b2+c2)q2a2b2c2=0sayweobtainedq.Nowqp=2cosβq2=4p2(1b24R2)=4p2(1p2a2c2)p4a2c2p2+a2c2q24=0p2=(abc2R)2=a2c22±a2c24(a2c2q2)R2=b22(qac)2{11(qac)2}

Commented by ajfour last updated on 15/Feb/22

Commented by mr W last updated on 15/Feb/22

thanks sir!  can you please show in a diagram  what are α,β,γ?

thankssir!canyoupleaseshowinadiagramwhatareα,β,γ?

Commented by mr W last updated on 15/Feb/22

Commented by mr W last updated on 15/Feb/22

are you sure sir?  i have doubt if this way is correct.    bc sin α=ca sin β=ab sin γ=((abc)/(2R)) ✓  with 2α+2β+2γ=(π/2) ✓  bc sin θ=ca sin ϕ=ab sin φ=((abc)/(2r)) ✓  with 2θ+2ϕ+2φ=π ✓    we can say θ+ϕ+φ=2(α+β+γ).  but i think we can not assume (set)  θ=2α, ϕ=2β, φ=2γ.    actually sin θ=(a/(2r)), sin α=(a/(2R))  if θ=2α, then  sin^2  θ= sin^2  2α=1−cos^2  2α=1−(1−2 sin^2  α)^2   ((a/(2r)))^2 =1−(1−(a^2 /(2R^2 )))^2      ...(I)  similarly, from ϕ=2β and φ=2γ  we′ll get  ((b/(2r)))^2 =1−(1−(b^2 /(2R^2 )))^2      ...(II)  ((c/(2r)))^2 =1−(1−(c^2 /(2R^2 )))^2      ...(III)  (I), (II), (III) are not consistent.  that means we can not set  θ=2α, ϕ=2β, φ=2γ at the same time.    bc sin α=ca sin β=ab sin γ=((abc)/(2R)) ✓  ⇏bc sin 2α=^? ca sin 2β=^? ab sin 2γ=^? ((abc)/(2r))

areyousuresir?ihavedoubtifthiswayiscorrect.bcsinα=casinβ=absinγ=abc2Rwith2α+2β+2γ=π2bcsinθ=casinφ=absinϕ=abc2rwith2θ+2φ+2ϕ=πwecansayθ+φ+ϕ=2(α+β+γ).butithinkwecannotassume(set)θ=2α,φ=2β,ϕ=2γ.actuallysinθ=a2r,sinα=a2Rifθ=2α,thensin2θ=sin22α=1cos22α=1(12sin2α)2(a2r)2=1(1a22R2)2...(I)similarly,fromφ=2βandϕ=2γwellget(b2r)2=1(1b22R2)2...(II)(c2r)2=1(1c22R2)2...(III)(I),(II),(III)arenotconsistent.thatmeanswecannotsetθ=2α,φ=2β,ϕ=2γatthesametime.bcsinα=casinβ=absinγ=abc2Rbcsin2α=?casin2β=?absin2γ=?abc2r

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