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Question Number 184351 by mr W last updated on 05/Jan/23

f(x)=((a^x +b^x +c^x )/x) with a+b+c=0  prove f(7)=f(5)×f(2)

f(x)=ax+bx+cxxwitha+b+c=0provef(7)=f(5)×f(2)

Answered by greougoury555 last updated on 05/Jan/23

 f(x)=((a^x +b^x +(−a−b)^x )/x)    { ((f(7)=((a^7 +b^7 −(a+b)^7 )/7))),((f(5)=((a^5 +b^5 −(a+b)^5 )/5))),((f(2)=((a^2 +b^2 +(a+b)^2 )/2))) :}   f(2)=((2(a^2 +b^2 +ab))/2) = a^2 +b^2 +ab   f(5)=((−(5a^4 b+10a^3 b^2 +10a^2 b^3 +5ab^4 ))/5)   f(5)=−ab(a^3 +2a^2 b+2ab^2 +b^3 )   f(7)=((−(7a^6 b+21a^5 b^2 +35a^4 b^3 +35a^3 b^4 +21a^2 b^5 +7ab^6 ))/7)   f(7)=−ab(a^5 +3a^4 b+5a^3 b^2 +5a^2 b^3 +3ab^4 +b^5 )

f(x)=ax+bx+(ab)xx{f(7)=a7+b7(a+b)77f(5)=a5+b5(a+b)55f(2)=a2+b2+(a+b)22f(2)=2(a2+b2+ab)2=a2+b2+abf(5)=(5a4b+10a3b2+10a2b3+5ab4)5f(5)=ab(a3+2a2b+2ab2+b3)f(7)=(7a6b+21a5b2+35a4b3+35a3b4+21a2b5+7ab6)7f(7)=ab(a5+3a4b+5a3b2+5a2b3+3ab4+b5)

Commented by mr W last updated on 06/Jan/23

why not continue?  when you multiple f(2) with f(5),  you should get the same as f(7).

whynotcontinue?whenyoumultiplef(2)withf(5),youshouldgetthesameasf(7).

Answered by Rasheed.Sindhi last updated on 05/Jan/23

f(1)=0  f(2)=((a^2 +b^2 +c^2 )/2)=(((a+b+c)^2 −2(ab+bc+ca))/2)  f(2)=−ab−bc−ca  f(3)=((a^3 +b^3 +c^3 )/3)  f(3)−abc=((a^3 +b^3 +c^3 )/3)−abc            =((a^3 +b^3 +c^3 −3abc)/3)         =(((a+b+c)(...))/3)=0  f(3)=abc  Consider a polynomial equation  with three roots: a,b,c  x^3 −(a+b+c)x^2 +(ab+bc+ca)x−abc=0  x^3 −(−ab−bc−ca)x−abc=0  x^3 −xf(2)−f(3)=0  ....

f(1)=0f(2)=a2+b2+c22=(a+b+c)22(ab+bc+ca)2f(2)=abbccaf(3)=a3+b3+c33f(3)abc=a3+b3+c33abc=a3+b3+c33abc3=(a+b+c)(...)3=0f(3)=abcConsiderapolynomialequationwiththreeroots:a,b,cx3(a+b+c)x2+(ab+bc+ca)xabc=0x3(abbcca)xabc=0x3xf(2)f(3)=0....

Answered by Rasheed.Sindhi last updated on 06/Jan/23

  •a+b+c=0⇒c=−a−b  ▶f(2)=((a^2 +b^2 +c^2 )/2)=(((a+b+c)^2 −2(ab+bc+ca))/2)             =−ab−bc−ca=−ab−c(a+b)              =−ab−(a+b)(−a−b)              =−ab+(a+b)^2   •f(2) =a^2 +ab+b^2   ▶f(5)=((a^5 +b^5 +c^5 )/5)=((a^5 +b^5 +(−a−b)^5 )/5)             =((a^5 +b^5 −(a+b)^5 )/5)             =((−(5a^4 b+10a^3 b^2 +10a^2 b^3 +5ab^4 ))/5)  •f(5) =−(a^4 b+2a^3 b^2 +2a^2 b^3 +ab^4 )  ▶ f(7)=((a^7 +b^7 +c^7 )/7)=((a^7 +b^7 +(−a−b)^7 )/7)         =((a^7 +b^7 −(a+b)^7 )/7)  •f(7)=−(a^6 b+3a^5 b^2 +5a^4 b^3 +5a^3 b^4 +3a^2 b^5 +ab^6 )  ▶ f(2)f(5):    −a^4 b−2a^3 b^2 −2a^2 b^3 −ab^4             × (a^2 +ab+b^2 )                                              _(−)         −a^6 b−2a^5 b^2 −2a^4 b^3 −a^3 b^4                     −a^5 b^2   −2a^4 b^3 −2a^3 b^4 −a^2 b^5                                    −    a^4 b^3 −2a^3 b^4 −2a^2 b^5 −ab^6    _(−)   −a^6 b−3a^5 b^2 −5a^4 b^3 −5a^3 b^4 −3a^2 b^5 −ab^6   =f(7)

a+b+c=0c=abf(2)=a2+b2+c22=(a+b+c)22(ab+bc+ca)2=abbcca=abc(a+b)=ab(a+b)(ab)=ab+(a+b)2f(2)=a2+ab+b2f(5)=a5+b5+c55=a5+b5+(ab)55=a5+b5(a+b)55=(5a4b+10a3b2+10a2b3+5ab4)5f(5)=(a4b+2a3b2+2a2b3+ab4)f(7)=a7+b7+c77=a7+b7+(ab)77=a7+b7(a+b)77f(7)=(a6b+3a5b2+5a4b3+5a3b4+3a2b5+ab6)f(2)f(5):a4b2a3b22a2b3ab4×(a2+ab+b2)a6b2a5b22a4b3a3b4a5b22a4b32a3b4a2b5a4b32a3b42a2b5ab6a6b3a5b25a4b35a3b43a2b5ab6=f(7)

Commented by mr W last updated on 06/Jan/23

fine!  thanks for the interest sir!

fine!thanksfortheinterestsir!

Answered by mr W last updated on 06/Jan/23

Method I  (a+b+c)^2 =a^2 +b^2 +c^2 +2(ab+bc+ca)=0  ⇒a^2 +b^2 +c^2 =−2(ab+bc+ca)  ⇒f(2)=((a^2 +b^2 +c^2 )/2)=−(ab+bc+ca)  (a+b+c)^3 =a^3 +b^3 +c^2 +3(a+b+c)(ab+bc+ca)−3abc=0  ⇒a^3 +b^3 +c^3 =3abc  ⇒f(3)=((a^3 +b^3 +c^3 )/3)=abc  (a^2 +b^2 +c^2 )(a^3 +b^3 +c^2 )=−6(ab+bc+ca)abc  a^5 +b^5 +c^5 +(a^2 b^2 +b^2 c^2 +c^2 a^2 )(a+b+c)−abc(ab+bc+ca)=−6(ab+bc+ca)abc  ⇒a^5 +b^5 +c^5 =−5(ab+bc+ca)abc  ⇒f(5)=((a^5 +b^5 +c^5 )/5)=−(ab+bc+ca)abc  (a^2 +b^2 +c^2 )(a^5 +b^5 +c^5 )=10(ab+bc+ca)^2 abc  a^7 +b^7 +c^7 +(a^2 b^2 +b^2 c^2 +c^2 a^2 )(a^3 +b^3 +c^3 )−a^2 b^2 c^2 (a+b+c)=10(ab+bc+ca)^2 abc  a^7 +b^7 +c^7 +3abc(a^2 b^2 +b^2 c^2 +c^2 a^2 )=10(ab+bc+ca)^2 abc  a^7 +b^7 +c^7 +3abc[(ab+bc+ca)^2 −2abc(a+b+c)]=10(ab+bc+ca)^2 abc  a^7 +b^7 +c^7 +3abc(ab+bc+ca)^2 =10(ab+bc+ca)^2 abc  ⇒a^7 +b^7 +c^7 =7(ab+bc+ca)^2 abc  ⇒f(7)=((a^7 +b^7 +c^7 )/7)=(ab+bc+ca)^2 abc  f(2)×f(5)=(ab+bc+ca)^2 abc=f(7) ✓

MethodI(a+b+c)2=a2+b2+c2+2(ab+bc+ca)=0a2+b2+c2=2(ab+bc+ca)f(2)=a2+b2+c22=(ab+bc+ca)(a+b+c)3=a3+b3+c2+3(a+b+c)(ab+bc+ca)3abc=0a3+b3+c3=3abcf(3)=a3+b3+c33=abc(a2+b2+c2)(a3+b3+c2)=6(ab+bc+ca)abca5+b5+c5+(a2b2+b2c2+c2a2)(a+b+c)abc(ab+bc+ca)=6(ab+bc+ca)abca5+b5+c5=5(ab+bc+ca)abcf(5)=a5+b5+c55=(ab+bc+ca)abc(a2+b2+c2)(a5+b5+c5)=10(ab+bc+ca)2abca7+b7+c7+(a2b2+b2c2+c2a2)(a3+b3+c3)a2b2c2(a+b+c)=10(ab+bc+ca)2abca7+b7+c7+3abc(a2b2+b2c2+c2a2)=10(ab+bc+ca)2abca7+b7+c7+3abc[(ab+bc+ca)22abc(a+b+c)]=10(ab+bc+ca)2abca7+b7+c7+3abc(ab+bc+ca)2=10(ab+bc+ca)2abca7+b7+c7=7(ab+bc+ca)2abcf(7)=a7+b7+c77=(ab+bc+ca)2abcf(2)×f(5)=(ab+bc+ca)2abc=f(7)

Commented by mr W last updated on 06/Jan/23

we see also f(5)=f(3)×f(2)

weseealsof(5)=f(3)×f(2)

Answered by mr W last updated on 06/Jan/23

Method II  using Newton′s Identities  let p_n =a^n +b^n +c^n   e_1 =a+b+c  e_2 =ab+bc+ca  e_3 =abc  p_1 =e_1 =0  p_2 =e_1 p_1 −2e_2 =−2e_2   p_3 =e_1 p_2 −e_2 p_1 +3e_3 =3e_3   p_4 =e_1 p_3 −e_2 p_2 +e_3 p_1 =−e_2 p_2 =2e_2 ^2   p_5 =e_1 p_4 −e_2 p_3 +e_3 p_2 =−e_2 p_3 +e_3 p_2 =−5e_2 e_3   p_7 =e_1 p_6 −e_2 p_5 +e_3 p_4 =−e_2 p_5 +e_3 p_4 =7e_2 ^2 e_3   f(n)=((a^n +b^n +c^n )/n)=(p_n /n)  f(7)=(p_7 /7)=e_2 ^2 e_3   f(5)=(p_5 /5)=−e_2 e_3   f(2)=(p_2 /2)=−e_2   f(5)×f(2)=(−e_2 e_3 )(−e_2 )=e_2 ^2 e_3 =f(7)

MethodIIusingNewtonsIdentitiesletpn=an+bn+cne1=a+b+ce2=ab+bc+cae3=abcp1=e1=0p2=e1p12e2=2e2p3=e1p2e2p1+3e3=3e3p4=e1p3e2p2+e3p1=e2p2=2e22p5=e1p4e2p3+e3p2=e2p3+e3p2=5e2e3p7=e1p6e2p5+e3p4=e2p5+e3p4=7e22e3f(n)=an+bn+cnn=pnnf(7)=p77=e22e3f(5)=p55=e2e3f(2)=p22=e2f(5)×f(2)=(e2e3)(e2)=e22e3=f(7)

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