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Question Number 198968 by necx122 last updated on 26/Oct/23

Find the polynomial with roots that  exceed the roots of   f(x)=3x^3 −14x^2 +x+62=0 by 3. Hence  determine the value of (1/(a+3))+(1/(b+3))+(1/(c+3)),  where a,b and c are roots.

Findthepolynomialwithrootsthatexceedtherootsoff(x)=3x314x2+x+62=0by3.Hencedeterminethevalueof1a+3+1b+3+1c+3,wherea,bandcareroots.

Answered by Rasheed.Sindhi last updated on 26/Oct/23

Let a,b,c are roots of   3x^3 −14x^2 +x+62=0  a+b+c=((14)/3) , ab+bc+ca=(1/3) , abc=−((62)/3)  The required equation have roots a+3,  b+3, c+3  •(a+3)+(b+3)+(c+3)=a+b+c+9=((14)/3)+9=((41)/3)  •(a+3)(b+3)+(b+3)(c+3)+(c+3)(a+3)      =ab+3(a+b)+9+bc+3(b+c)+9+ca+3(c+a)+9     =ab+bc+ca+6(a+b+c)+27     =(1/3)+6(((14)/3))+27=((1+84+81)/3)=((166)/3)  •(a+3)(b+3)(c+3)        =abc+3(ab+bc+ca)+9(a+b+c)+27       =−((62)/3)+3((1/3))+9(((14)/3))=((−62+3+126)/3)=((67)/3)  Hence the required equation will be:  x^3 +((41)/3)x^2 +((166)/3)x+((67)/3)=0  ⇒3x^3 +41x^2 +166x+67=0    (1/(a+3))+(1/(b+3))+(1/(c+3))    =(((a+3)(b+3)+(b+3)(c+3)+(a+3)(c+3))/((a+3)(b+3)(c+3)))    =(( ((166)/3))/((67)/3))=((166)/(67))

Leta,b,carerootsof3x314x2+x+62=0a+b+c=143,ab+bc+ca=13,abc=623Therequiredequationhaverootsa+3,b+3,c+3(a+3)+(b+3)+(c+3)=a+b+c+9=143+9=413(a+3)(b+3)+(b+3)(c+3)+(c+3)(a+3)=ab+3(a+b)+9+bc+3(b+c)+9+ca+3(c+a)+9=ab+bc+ca+6(a+b+c)+27=13+6(143)+27=1+84+813=1663(a+3)(b+3)(c+3)=abc+3(ab+bc+ca)+9(a+b+c)+27=623+3(13)+9(143)=62+3+1263=673Hencetherequiredequationwillbe:x3+413x2+1663x+673=03x3+41x2+166x+67=01a+3+1b+3+1c+3=(a+3)(b+3)+(b+3)(c+3)+(a+3)(c+3)(a+3)(b+3)(c+3)=1663673=16667

Commented by necx122 last updated on 26/Oct/23

This is great and I'm grateful. well understood. Thank you sir.

Commented by mr W last updated on 26/Oct/23

i think the question suggests one to  shift the given polynomial f(x) to the  right direction by 3 to get the new  polynomial at first. this is the easiest  way to determine the new polynomial.    please recheck your calculation sir!  i think something is wrong in it,  see following diagram with  (1)=original polynomial f(x)  (2)=what you got  (3)=what i got (see below)

ithinkthequestionsuggestsonetoshiftthegivenpolynomialf(x)totherightdirectionby3togetthenewpolynomialatfirst.thisistheeasiestwaytodeterminethenewpolynomial.pleaserecheckyourcalculationsir!ithinksomethingiswronginit,seefollowingdiagramwith(1)=originalpolynomialf(x)(2)=whatyougot(3)=whatigot(seebelow)

Commented by mr W last updated on 26/Oct/23

Commented by deleteduser1 last updated on 26/Oct/23

The correct equation should be:   3x^2 −41x^2 +166x−67=0

Thecorrectequationshouldbe:3x241x2+166x67=0

Commented by mr W last updated on 26/Oct/23

i think the correct equation is  k(3x^2 −41x^2 +166x−148)=0 with k∈R, k≠0

ithinkthecorrectequationisk(3x241x2+166x148)=0withkR,k0

Commented by mr W last updated on 26/Oct/23

Commented by deleteduser1 last updated on 26/Oct/23

I′m referring to the solution above.  The solution would have been correct if a,b and  c were all real numbers.   (a+3)(b+3)(c+3)  =abc+3(ab+bc+ca)+9(a+b+c)+27 is only true  when a,b,c∈R  When two(in the case of a cubic equation) come  from C\R,then we are no longer dealing with  variables(a,b,c) but (a,b^− ,c^− ) where b^− =x+yi.  ⇒b^− +3=(x+3)+yi;so we are only increasing  the real part by 3

Imreferringtothesolutionabove.Thesolutionwouldhavebeencorrectifa,bandcwereallrealnumbers.(a+3)(b+3)(c+3)=abc+3(ab+bc+ca)+9(a+b+c)+27isonlytruewhena,b,cRWhentwo(inthecaseofacubicequation)comefromCR,thenwearenolongerdealingwithvariables(a,b,c)but(a,b,c)whereb=x+yi.b+3=(x+3)+yi;soweareonlyincreasingtherealpartby3

Answered by mr W last updated on 26/Oct/23

say the new polynomial is p(x).  roots of p(x) exceed the roots of f(x)  by 3, that means p(x)=f(x−3).  p(x)=3(x−3)^3 −14(x−3)^2 +(x−3)+62  p(x)=3x^3 −41x^2 +166x−148  say roots of p(x)=0 are A,B,C,  then A=a+3, B=b+3, C=c+3  (1/(a+3))+(1/(b+3))+(1/(c+3))=(1/A)+(1/B)+(1/C)  =((AB+BC+CA)/(ABC))=(((166)/3)/((148)/3))=((166)/(148))=((83)/(74)) ✓  ■

saythenewpolynomialisp(x).rootsofp(x)exceedtherootsoff(x)by3,thatmeansp(x)=f(x3).p(x)=3(x3)314(x3)2+(x3)+62p(x)=3x341x2+166x148sayrootsofp(x)=0areA,B,C,thenA=a+3,B=b+3,C=c+31a+3+1b+3+1c+3=1A+1B+1C=AB+BC+CAABC=16631483=166148=8374

Commented by necx122 last updated on 26/Oct/23

Wow!! Having to exclaim is all i can do at this point. Funnily, both answers appear in the options.

Commented by Rasheed.Sindhi last updated on 27/Oct/23

Most efficient way!

Mostefficientway!

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