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Question Number 36259 by behi83417@gmail.com last updated on 30/May/18

Answered by ajfour last updated on 30/May/18

let    a+b=c+d=s           ... (i)           cd(ab−1)=ab          ...(ii)           ((ad+bc)/(bd))=((a+c)/(b+d))             ....(iii)          ((a^2 +b^2 )/(ab))=((c^2 +d^2 )/(cd))           ....(iv)  using   (i) and (ii) in (iv):            ((s^2 −2ab)/(ab))=((s^2 −((2ab)/(ab−1)))/((ab)/(ab−1)))  ⇒    (s^2 /(ab))=((s^2 (ab−1))/(ab))  ⇒    ab=2   ,  hence  cd=2    ...(v)  from  (iii):    abd+b^2 c+bcd+ad^2 =abd+bcd  ⇒     b^2 c+ad^2 =0            b^2 c+(8/(bc^2 ))=0  ⇒    bc=−2  using (v)  in  (i) :      (a−b)^2 =(c−d)^2 =s^2 −8  or    ((2/b)−b)^2 =(c−(2/c))^2 =s^2 −8  ⇒  b=c=±i(√2)         a=d=∓i(√2)    .

leta+b=c+d=s...(i)cd(ab1)=ab...(ii)ad+bcbd=a+cb+d....(iii)a2+b2ab=c2+d2cd....(iv)using(i)and(ii)in(iv):s22abab=s22abab1abab1s2ab=s2(ab1)abab=2,hencecd=2...(v)from(iii):abd+b2c+bcd+ad2=abd+bcdb2c+ad2=0b2c+8bc2=0bc=2using(v)in(i):(ab)2=(cd)2=s28or(2bb)2=(c2c)2=s28b=c=±i2a=d=i2.

Commented by ajfour last updated on 30/May/18

thanks sir, are the answers okay  now ?

thankssir,aretheanswersokaynow?

Commented by behi83417@gmail.com last updated on 30/May/18

alwyes the best.thanks in advance sir.

alwyesthebest.thanksinadvancesir.

Commented by behi83417@gmail.com last updated on 30/May/18

yes.it is smart and sweet method.

yes.itissmartandsweetmethod.

Commented by MJS last updated on 30/May/18

with your solution (3) is not defined because  b+d=0

withyoursolution(3)isnotdefinedbecauseb+d=0

Commented by ajfour last updated on 30/May/18

a+c  is even zero .

a+cisevenzero.

Answered by MJS last updated on 30/May/18

(1) a=−b+c+d  (2) ...  (3) ...  (4) b=c ∨ b=d  case 1  b=c  a=d  (2) cd=2 ⇒ c=(2/d)  (3) d^4 −2d^2 +4=0 ⇒  ⇒ d_1 =−((√6)/2)−((√2)/2)i; d_2 =−((√6)/2)+((√2)/2)i;  d_3 =((√6)/2)−((√2)/2)i; d_4 =((√6)/2)+((√2)/2)i  a_k =d_k   b_k =c_k =(2/d_k )=conj(d_k )    case 2  b=d  a=c  (2) cd=2 ⇒ c=(2/d)  (3) no solution

(1)a=b+c+d(2)...(3)...(4)b=cb=dcase1b=ca=d(2)cd=2c=2d(3)d42d2+4=0d1=6222i;d2=62+22i;d3=6222i;d4=62+22iak=dkbk=ck=2dk=conj(dk)case2b=da=c(2)cd=2c=2d(3)nosolution

Commented by behi83417@gmail.com last updated on 31/May/18

d^4 −2d^2 +4=0⇒d^4 −2d^2 +1=−3  (d^2 −1)^2 =−3⇒d^2 −1=±i(√3)  d^2 =1±i(√3)⇒d=±(√(1±i(√3)))=^? ±((√6)/2)±((√2)/2)i

d42d2+4=0d42d2+1=3(d21)2=3d21=±i3d2=1±i3d=±1±i3=?±62±22i

Answered by Rasheed.Sindhi last updated on 31/May/18

a≠0 ,b≠0,c≠0,d≠0 (∵ they′re denominators)  (iii):(a/b)+(c/d)=((a+c)/(b+d))⇔(a/b)=(c/d)  (a/b)=(c/d)=k (Say)  (k≠0)  a=bk,c=dk  (i):a+b=c+d      ⇒bk+b=dk+d      ⇒b(k+1)=d(k+1)      ⇒b=d      ⇒a=c  (ii) abcd=ab+cd       ⇒bk.b.dk.d=bk.b+dk.d       ⇒b^2 d^2 k^2 =(b^2 +d^2 )k      ∵ d=b      ⇒b^4 k^2 =2b^2 k      ⇒b^4 k^2 −2b^2 k=0      ⇒b^2 k(b^2 −2)=0     ⇒b^2 =0 ∨ k=0 ∨ b^2 −2=0     ⇒b=0 ∨ k=0 ∨ b=±(√2)    ∵ b≠0 ∨ k≠0 ⇒ b=±(√2)       b=±(√2)       d=±(√2)  (iv):(a/b)+(b/a)=(c/d)+(d/c)          ⇒((bk)/b)+(b/(bk))=(dk/d)+(d/dk)            k+(1/k)=k+(1/k)  Thus (a/b)+(c/d)=((a+c)/(b+d))⇒(a/b)+(b/a)=(c/d)+(d/c)                    (Always)  (ii):abcd=ab+cd  For a=c &b=d=±(√2)         ⇒a^2 (±(√2))^2 =a(±(√2))+a(±(√2))         ⇒a^2 (±(√2))^2 =2a(±(√2))         ⇒a(±(√2))=2        ⇒a=±(2/(√2))×((√2)/(√2))=((±2(√2))/2)=±(√2)        ⇒a=c=±(√2)                Results: a= b=c=d=±(√2)

a0,b0,c0,d0(theyredenominators)(iii):ab+cd=a+cb+dab=cdab=cd=k(Say)(k0)a=bk,c=dk(i):a+b=c+dbk+b=dk+db(k+1)=d(k+1)b=da=c(ii)abcd=ab+cdbk.b.dk.d=bk.b+dk.db2d2k2=(b2+d2)kd=bb4k2=2b2kb4k22b2k=0b2k(b22)=0b2=0k=0b22=0b=0k=0b=±2b0k0b=±2b=±2d=±2(iv):ab+ba=cd+dcbkb+bbk=dkd+ddkk+1k=k+1kThusab+cd=a+cb+dab+ba=cd+dc(Always)(ii):abcd=ab+cdFora=c&b=d=±2a2(±2)2=a(±2)+a(±2)a2(±2)2=2a(±2)a(±2)=2a=±22×22=±222=±2a=c=±2Results:a=b=c=d=±2

Commented by ajfour last updated on 31/May/18

(a/b)+(c/d)=((a+c)/(b+d))   ⇒  (a/b)=(c/d)  how ?  abd+ad^2 +bcd+b^2 c=abd+bcd  ⇒   ad^2 =−b^2 c  ⇒    (a/b)=−((bc)/d^2 )    if =(c/d)  ⇒  ((−b)/d)=1  −b=d                    ...(1)  also you found  b=d       ...(2)  adding  (1) & (2)        2d=0   ⇒    d=0   ,  b=0    not permitted by question!

ab+cd=a+cb+dab=cdhow?abd+ad2+bcd+b2c=abd+bcdad2=b2cab=bcd2if=cdbd=1b=d...(1)alsoyoufoundb=d...(2)adding(1)&(2)2d=0d=0,b=0notpermittedbyquestion!

Commented by Rasheed.Sindhi last updated on 31/May/18

Mistake Sir!  Only  (a/b)=(c/d)⇒((a+c)/(b+d))  But     (a/b)+(c/d)=((a+c)/(b+d))⇏(a/b)=(c/d)  Thanks for correction!

MistakeSir!Onlyab=cda+cb+dButab+cd=a+cb+dab=cdThanksforcorrection!

Commented by ajfour last updated on 31/May/18

(a/b)+(c/d)=((a+c)/(b+d))  if  a=b=c=d  then  1+1=1 .

ab+cd=a+cb+difa=b=c=dthen1+1=1.

Commented by Rasheed.Sindhi last updated on 31/May/18

You′re right!

Youreright!

Commented by MJS last updated on 31/May/18

because it′s a denominator too. usually  it′s the first step to find the domain before  any transformation. otherwise a, b, c, d =0  would also be ok

becauseitsadenominatortoo.usuallyitsthefirststeptofindthedomainbeforeanytransformation.otherwisea,b,c,d=0wouldalsobeok

Commented by MJS last updated on 31/May/18

a≠0  b≠0  c≠0  d≠0  b+d≠0

a0b0c0d0b+d0

Commented by Rasheed.Sindhi last updated on 31/May/18

Sir, why b+d≠0 ?

Sir,whyb+d0?

Commented by ajfour last updated on 31/May/18

as long as a+c=0  ,  b+d=0  is okay.

aslongasa+c=0,b+d=0isokay.

Commented by MJS last updated on 31/May/18

(0/0) is not defined, so it′s not ok  we can agree on b+d=0 is ok, but then  a, b, c, d =0 should be allowed too whenever  they happen to be denominators of a fraction  with numerator=0  still, usually (p/q) is not defined when q=0,  independent of the value of p    f(x)=((x+1)/x) is not defined with x=0  ⇒ g(x)=(x/x) is not defined with x=0  but for some reasons it′s common to  shorten it to g(x)=1

00isnotdefined,soitsnotokwecanagreeonb+d=0isok,butthena,b,c,d=0shouldbeallowedtoowhenevertheyhappentobedenominatorsofafractionwithnumerator=0still,usuallypqisnotdefinedwhenq=0,independentofthevalueofpf(x)=x+1xisnotdefinedwithx=0g(x)=xxisnotdefinedwithx=0butforsomereasonsitscommontoshortenittog(x)=1

Commented by ajfour last updated on 02/Jun/18

Prakash Sir, please throw some  light in this matter, i m not  entirely convinced. Isn′t my  solution to this question acceptable?

PrakashSir,pleasethrowsomelightinthismatter,imnotentirelyconvinced.Isntmysolutiontothisquestionacceptable?

Answered by Rasheed.Sindhi last updated on 31/May/18

a+b=c+d.........(i)  abcd=ab+cd......(ii)  (a/b)+(c/d)=((a+c)/(b+d)).......(iii)  (a/b)+(b/a)=(c/d)+(d/c)......(iv)  ∗∗∗∗∗∗∗∗∗∗∗∗∗∗∗∗∗∗∗∗∗∗∗∗∗∗∗∗∗∗  (iv): (a/b)+(b/a)=(c/d)+(d/c)  Let (a/b)=u  &  (c/d)=v        u+(1/u)=v+(1/v)        u^2 −(v+(1/v))u+1=0   u=((v+(1/v)±(√((v+(1/v))^2 −4(1)(1))))/(2(1)))   u=((v+(1/v)±(√(v^2 +2+(1/v^2 )−4)))/2)   u=((v+(1/v)±(√((v−(1/v))^2 )))/2)   u=((v+(1/v)±(v−(1/v)))/2)   u=((v+(1/v)±v∓(1/v)))/2)=v,(1/v)  (a/b)=(c/d)       ∣     (a/b)=(d/c)  ∗∗∗∗∗∗∗∗∗∗∗∗∗∗∗∗∗∗∗∗∗∗∗∗∗∗∗∗∗  C-1: (a/b)=(c/d)           (a/b)=(c/d)=k ⇒ a=bk & c=dk  (i):a+b=c+d⇒bk+b=dk+d            b(k+1)=d(k+1)            b(k+1)−d(k+1)=0          (k+1)(b−d)=0          k=−1 ∨ b=d        (a/b)=(c/d)=−1         ( a=−b ∧c=−d)∨ b=d         a+b=c+d⇒c+d=0 ∨ a=c         (a=−b ∧ c=−d) ∨  (a=c ∧ b=d)     a=c ∧ b=d⇒             (ii):abcd=ab+cd⇒a^2 b^2 =2ab             ⇒ab=2 (cd=2)             (iii)(a/b)+(c/d)=((a+c)/(b+d))                 ⇒((bk)/b)+(dk/d)=((bk+dk)/(b+d))                 ⇒2k=k                     k=0                  (a/b)=(c/d)=k=0                    a=c=0 ∵a≠0,c≠0     a=−b ∧ c=−d            (i) a.−a.c.−c=a.−a +c.−c                a^2 c^2 =−a^2 −c^2                 a^2 c^2 +a^2 =−c^2 ⇒a^2 =−(c^2 /(c^2 +1))                   C-2: (a/b)=(d/c)  Continue

a+b=c+d.........(i)abcd=ab+cd......(ii)ab+cd=a+cb+d.......(iii)ab+ba=cd+dc......(iv)(iv):ab+ba=cd+dcLetab=u&cd=vu+1u=v+1vu2(v+1v)u+1=0u=v+1v±(v+1v)24(1)(1)2(1)u=v+1v±v2+2+1v242u=v+1v±(v1v)22u=v+1v±(v1v)2u=v+1v±v1v)2=v,1vab=cdab=dcC1:ab=cdab=cd=ka=bk&c=dk(i):a+b=c+dbk+b=dk+db(k+1)=d(k+1)b(k+1)d(k+1)=0(k+1)(bd)=0k=1b=dab=cd=1(a=bc=d)b=da+b=c+dc+d=0a=c(a=bc=d)(a=cb=d)a=cb=d(ii):abcd=ab+cda2b2=2abab=2(cd=2)(iii)ab+cd=a+cb+dbkb+dkd=bk+dkb+d2k=kk=0ab=cd=k=0a=c=0a0,c0a=bc=d(i)a.a.c.c=a.a+c.ca2c2=a2c2a2c2+a2=c2a2=c2c2+1C2:ab=dcContinue

Commented by Rasheed.Sindhi last updated on 31/May/18

Please see that the approach used   between the  star lines(∗∗∗∗∗∗∗...)  is correct ? That is  (a/b)+(b/a)=(c/d)+(d/c)⇒(a/b)=(c/d)    ?

Pleaseseethattheapproachusedbetweenthestarlines(...)iscorrect?Thatisab+ba=cd+dcab=cd?

Commented by behi83417@gmail.com last updated on 31/May/18

thanks for your work sir.yes it is true.

thanksforyourworksir.yesitistrue.

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