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Question Number 41255 by ajfour last updated on 04/Aug/18

Commented by ajfour last updated on 04/Aug/18

The natural length of spring is  l and if realeased as shown, find  speed of ring as it reaches the  ground. μ is the friction coefficient  between vertical rod and the ring.

Thenaturallengthofspringislandifrealeasedasshown,findspeedofringasitreachestheground.μisthefrictioncoefficientbetweenverticalrodandthering.

Answered by ajfour last updated on 05/Aug/18

At an intermediate position, let  the angle of spring line with  horizontal be θ.  Normal reaction on ring        N=kxcos θ      x=l(sec θ−1)  friction f = μkl(1−cos θ)  height of ring is  y=ltan θ            dy = lsec^2 θdθ                               W_f  =∫_α ^(  0) μkl^2 (1−cos θ)sec^2 θdθ     where   α = tan^(−1) ((3/4))  ⇒  W_f  =−μkl^2 ∫_0 ^(  α) (sec^2 θ−sec θ)dθ         =−μkl^2 [tan α−ln (sec α+tan α)]  =−μkl^2 [(3/4)−ln ((5/4)+(3/4))]    =−μkl^2 ((3/4)−ln 2)  (1/2)mv^2 = mg(((3l)/4))+(1/2)k[lsec α−l]^2                         −μkl^2 ((3/4)−ln 2)  v^2 = ((3gl)/2)+((kl^2 )/(16m))−((μkl^2 )/m)((3/2)−2ln 2)  v =(√(((3gl)/2)+((kl^2 )/(16m))−((μkl^2 )/m)((3/2)−2ln 2))) .

Atanintermediateposition,lettheangleofspringlinewithhorizontalbeθ.NormalreactiononringN=kxcosθx=l(secθ1)frictionf=μkl(1cosθ)heightofringisy=ltanθdy=lsec2θdθWf=α0μkl2(1cosθ)sec2θdθwhereα=tan1(34)Wf=μkl20α(sec2θsecθ)dθ=μkl2[tanαln(secα+tanα)]=μkl2[34ln(54+34)]=μkl2(34ln2)12mv2=mg(3l4)+12k[lsecαl]2μkl2(34ln2)v2=3gl2+kl216mμkl2m(322ln2)v=3gl2+kl216mμkl2m(322ln2).

Commented by MrW3 last updated on 05/Aug/18

great job!

greatjob!

Answered by tanmay.chaudhury50@gmail.com last updated on 05/Aug/18

at any instant the ring is at a height y from the ground  and make angle ∝ with vertical rod.  the length of spring=(√(l^2 +y_  ^2 ))  so elongation of  spring=((√(l^2 +y^2 ))  −l)  as the spring elongated so it tries to go back  to its original length..so a force k((√(l^2 +y^2 )) −l)  act along the spring downward.the force  k((√(l^2 +y^2 )) −l) has two components  1)k((√(l^2 +y^2 )) −l)cos∝  vertically down in the  same direction of mg of ring  2)k((√(l^2 +y^2 )) −l)sin∝ horigontal normal forve  on ring...  3)frction force=μk((√(l^2 +y^2 )) −)sin∝  eqn  mv(dv/dy)=mg+k((√(l^2 +y^2 )) −l)cos∝−μk((√(l^2 +y^2 )) −l)sin∝  v(dv/dy)=  mg+k((√(l^2 +y^2 )) −l).(y/(((√(l^2 +y^2 )))))−μk((√(l^2 +y_ ^2 )) −l)(l/(√(l^2 +y^2  )))  mg+k(y−((ly)/(√(l_ ^2 +y^2 ))))−μk(l−(l^2 /(√(l^2 +y^2 _ ))))  v(dv/dy)=    g+(k/m)(y−((ly)/(√(l^2 +y^2 ))))−((μk)/m)(l−(l^2 /(√(l^2 +y^2 ))))  v(dv/dy)=g+(k/m)y−((μkl)/m)+((μkl^2 )/m).(1/(√(l^2 +y^2 )))−((kl)/m).(y/(√(l^2 +y^2 )))  (v^2 /2)=∣gy+(k/m).(y^2 /2)−((μkl)/m)y+((μkl^2 )/m).ln(y+(√(l^2 +y^2 ))) −       ((kl)/(m ))(√(l^2 +y^(2 ) )) ∣_0 ^((3l)/4)    (v^2 /2)=3g(l/4)+(k/m).((9l^2 )/(32))−((μkl)/m).((3l)/4)+((μkl^2 )/m){ln(((3l)/4)+((5l)/4))−      ln(0+(√(l^2 +0)) )}−((kl)/m)((√(l^2 +((9l^2 )/(16)))) −l)  (v^2 /2)=((3gl)/4)+((9kl^2 )/(32m))−((3μkl^2 )/(4m))+((μkl^2 )/m){ln2l−lnl}−((kl)/m)((l/4))  (v^2 /2)=((3gl)/4)+((kl^2 )/m)((9/(32))−(1/4))−((3μkl^2 )/(4m))+((μkl^2 )/m)ln2  (v^2 /2)=((3gl)/4)+((kl^2 )/m).(1/(32))+((μkl^2 )/m)(ln2  −(3/4))  v={((3gl)/2)+((kl^2 )/m).(1/(16))+((2μkl^2 )/m) (ln2  −(3/4))}^(1/2)   ={((3gl)/2)+((kl^2 )/m).(1/(16))−((μkl^2 )/m)((3/2)−2ln2)}^(1/2)

atanyinstanttheringisataheightyfromthegroundandmakeanglewithverticalrod.thelengthofspring=l2+y2soelongationofspring=(l2+y2l)asthespringelongatedsoittriestogobacktoitsoriginallength..soaforcek(l2+y2l)actalongthespringdownward.theforcek(l2+y2l)hastwocomponents1)k(l2+y2l)cosverticallydowninthesamedirectionofmgofring2)k(l2+y2l)sinhorigontalnormalforveonring...3)frctionforce=μk(l2+y2)sineqnmvdvdy=mg+k(l2+y2l)cosμk(l2+y2l)sinvdvdy=mg+k(l2+y2l).y(l2+y2)μk(l2+y2l)ll2+y2mg+k(ylyl2+y2)μk(ll2l2+y2)vdvdy=g+km(ylyl2+y2)μkm(ll2l2+y2)vdvdy=g+kmyμklm+μkl2m.1l2+y2klm.yl2+y2v22=∣gy+km.y22μklmy+μkl2m.ln(y+l2+y2)klml2+y203l4v22=3gl4+km.9l232μklm.3l4+μkl2m{ln(3l4+5l4)ln(0+l2+0)}klm(l2+9l216l)v22=3gl4+9kl232m3μkl24m+μkl2m{ln2llnl}klm(l4)v22=3gl4+kl2m(93214)3μkl24m+μkl2mln2v22=3gl4+kl2m.132+μkl2m(ln234)v={3gl2+kl2m.116+2μkl2m(ln234)}12={3gl2+kl2m.116μkl2m(322ln2)}12

Commented by MrW3 last updated on 04/Aug/18

very nice!

verynice!

Commented by MrW3 last updated on 05/Aug/18

you mean the answer from ajfour sir.  your answer and his answer are identical.  btw, there is a typo  in line #3 & 4 in your  working above.

youmeantheanswerfromajfoursir.youranswerandhisanswerareidentical.You can't use 'macro parameter character #' in math modeworkingabove.

Commented by tanmay.chaudhury50@gmail.com last updated on 04/Aug/18

yes sir i have rectified it...yours amd myself  answer become identical...thank you ..you hahe  given your time to go throuvh my post...

yessirihaverectifiedit...yoursamdmyselfanswerbecomeidentical...thankyou..youhahegivenyourtimetogothrouvhmypost...

Commented by tanmay.chaudhury50@gmail.com last updated on 05/Aug/18

ok sir let me check...

oksirletmecheck...

Commented by tanmay.chaudhury50@gmail.com last updated on 05/Aug/18

pls check

plscheck

Commented by MrW3 last updated on 05/Aug/18

typo in line #4:  spring=((√(l^2 +y^2 ))  −l)

You can't use 'macro parameter character #' in math modespring=(l2+y2l)

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