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Question Number 48359 by ajfour last updated on 22/Nov/18

Answered by mr W last updated on 23/Nov/18

(x^2 /a^2 )+(y^2 /b^2 )=1  (x/a^2 )+((yy′)/b^2 )=0⇒y′=−((b^2 x)/(a^2 y))  (x−r)^2 +(y−r)^2 =r^2   (x−r)+(y−r)y′=0⇒y′=−((x−r)/(y−r))  T(h,k)  (h^2 /a^2 )+(k^2 /b^2 )=1  (h−r)^2 +(k−r)^2 =r^2   ((b^2 h)/(a^2 k))=(h/(b+k))=(r/(b+r))  ⇒b^2 (b+k)=a^2 k⇒k=(b^3 /(a^2 −b^2 ))  (h^2 /a^2 )=1−(b^6 /(b^2 (a^2 −b^2 )^2 ))=1−((b^2 /(a^2 −b^2 )))^2 =((a^2 (a^2 −2b^2 ))/((a^2 −b^2 )))  ⇒h=((a^2 (√(a^2 −2b^2 )))/(a^2 −b^2 ))  (b+k−h)r=bh  ⇒r=((bh)/(b+k−h))=((ba^2 (√(a^2 −2b^2 )))/((a^2 −b^2 )(b+(b^3 /(a^2 −b^2 ))−((a^2 (√(a^2 −2b^2 )))/(a^2 −b^2 )))))=((b(√(a^2 −2b^2 )))/(b−(√(a^2 −2b^2 ))))  with λ=(a/b)  ⇒k=(b/(λ^2 −1))  ⇒h=((bλ^2 (√(λ^2 −2)))/(λ^2 −1))  ⇒r=((b(√(λ^2 −2)))/(1−(√(λ^2 −2))))  ⇒(h/r)=((λ^2 (1−(√(λ^2 −2))))/(λ^2 −1))  ⇒(k/r)=((1−(√(λ^2 −2)))/((λ^2 −1)(√(λ^2 −2))))  ((h/r)−1)^2 +((k/r)−1)^2 =1  [((λ^2 (1−(√(λ^2 −2))))/(λ^2 −1))−1]^2 +[((1−(√(λ^2 −2)))/((λ^2 −1)(√(λ^2 −2))))−1]^2 =1  [((1−λ^2 (√(λ^2 −2)))/(λ^2 −1))]^2 +[((1−λ^2 (√(λ^2 −2)))/((λ^2 −1)(√(λ^2 −2))))]^2 =1  ((1−λ^2 (√(λ^2 −2)))/(√((λ^2 −1)(λ^2 −2))))=1  ⇒(λ^2 +(√(λ^2 −1)))(√(λ^2 −2))=1  ⇒λ=(a/b)≈1.4494

x2a2+y2b2=1xa2+yyb2=0y=b2xa2y(xr)2+(yr)2=r2(xr)+(yr)y=0y=xryrT(h,k)h2a2+k2b2=1(hr)2+(kr)2=r2b2ha2k=hb+k=rb+rb2(b+k)=a2kk=b3a2b2h2a2=1b6b2(a2b2)2=1(b2a2b2)2=a2(a22b2)(a2b2)h=a2a22b2a2b2(b+kh)r=bhr=bhb+kh=ba2a22b2(a2b2)(b+b3a2b2a2a22b2a2b2)=ba22b2ba22b2withλ=abk=bλ21h=bλ2λ22λ21r=bλ221λ22hr=λ2(1λ22)λ21kr=1λ22(λ21)λ22(hr1)2+(kr1)2=1[λ2(1λ22)λ211]2+[1λ22(λ21)λ221]2=1[1λ2λ22λ21]2+[1λ2λ22(λ21)λ22]2=11λ2λ22(λ21)(λ22)=1(λ2+λ21)λ22=1λ=ab1.4494

Commented by ajfour last updated on 23/Nov/18

Great!

Great!

Commented by mr W last updated on 23/Nov/18

to ajfour sir:  −y′=((b^2 h)/(a^2 k))=((h−r)/(k−r))=(h/(b+k))=(r/(b+r))  the condition =((h−r)/(k−r)) is not necessary,  because it′s included in = (h/(b+k))=(r/(b+r)).

toajfoursir:y=b2ha2k=hrkr=hb+k=rb+rthecondition=hrkrisnotnecessary,becauseitsincludedin=hb+k=rb+r.

Commented by ajfour last updated on 23/Nov/18

how   ((h−R)/(k−R)) = (h/(b+k))    Sir ?     Line 8 .

howhRkR=hb+kSir?Line8.

Commented by MJS last updated on 23/Nov/18

you′re losing the 2^(nd)  solution by taking the  root in the 3^(rd)  line from the bottom.  λ=±1.44941 ∨ λ=±1.60446  ⇒ 2 circles are possible

yourelosingthe2ndsolutionbytakingtherootinthe3rdlinefromthebottom.λ=±1.44941λ=±1.604462circlesarepossible

Commented by mr W last updated on 23/Nov/18

to MJS sir:  you are right. the final eqn. after taking  root should be   ((1−λ^2 (√(λ^2 −2)))/(√((λ^2 −1)(λ^2 −2))))=±1  or  (λ^2 ±(√(λ^2 −1)))(√(λ^2 −2))=1  but “−” is for the circle outside of ellipse.

toMJSsir:youareright.thefinaleqn.aftertakingrootshouldbe1λ2λ22(λ21)(λ22)=±1or(λ2±λ21)λ22=1butisforthecircleoutsideofellipse.

Commented by mr W last updated on 23/Nov/18

Commented by mr W last updated on 23/Nov/18

Commented by ajfour last updated on 23/Nov/18

Thank you both. I should have  drawn two such circles in the  question diagram itself..

Thankyouboth.Ishouldhavedrawntwosuchcirclesinthequestiondiagramitself..

Answered by MJS last updated on 22/Nov/18

T= ((((a^2 (√(a^2 −2b^2 )))/(a^2 −b^2 ))),((b^3 /(a^2 −b^2 ))) )  B= ((0),((−b)) )  from C∈y=x ∧ C∈BT ⇒  ⇒ C= ((r),(r) )  r=((b(√(a^2 −2b^2 )))/(b−(√(a^2 −2b^2 ))))    I put a=1  ∣CT∣^2 =r^2   this leads to a 6^(th)  degree polynome which had  2 real solutions:  a=1; b_1 =.689937; c_1 =1.95025       [circle touches ellipse from outside]  a=1; b_2 =.623263; c_2 =.320906       [circle touches ellipse from inside]

T=(a2a22b2a2b2b3a2b2)B=(0b)fromCy=xCBTC=(rr)r=ba22b2ba22b2Iputa=1CT2=r2thisleadstoa6thdegreepolynomewhichhad2realsolutions:a=1;b1=.689937;c1=1.95025[circletouchesellipsefromoutside]a=1;b2=.623263;c2=.320906[circletouchesellipsefrominside]

Commented by ajfour last updated on 23/Nov/18

Sir, first of all how to arrive at  coordinates of T  ; your method ?

Sir,firstofallhowtoarriveatcoordinatesofT;yourmethod?

Commented by MJS last updated on 23/Nov/18

y=(b/a)(√(a^2 −x^2 ))  normal in x=t: y=kx+d  y′=−((bt)/(a(√(a^2 −t^2 )))) ⇒  k=((a(√(a^2 −t^2 )))/(bt))  d=y−kt=−((a^2 −b^2 )/(ab))(√(a^2 −t^2 ))  but d=−b ⇒ t=±((a^2 (√(a^2 −2b^3 )))/(a^2 −b^2 )) ∧ a>b ∧ a^2 ≥2b^2   u=(b/a)(√(a^2 −t^2 ))=(b^3 /(a^2 −b^2 ))  line BT: y=((b+u)/t)x−b  (y=((b+u)/t)x−b)∩(y=x) ⇒ x=((bt)/(b−t+u))=((b(√(a^2 −2b^2 )))/(b−(√(a^2 −2b^2 ))))=r  ∣CT∣^2 =r^2   this leads to  2a^2 b^3 (√(a^2 −2b^2 ))=(a−b)^3 (a+b)^3   squaring leads to  a^(12) −6a^(10) b^2 +15a^8 b^4 −24a^6 b^6 +23a^4 b^8 −6a^2 b^(10) +b^(12) =0  a=(√p); b=(√q)  p^6 −6p^5 q+15p^4 q^2 −24p^3 q^3 +23p^2 q^4 −6pq^5 +q^6 =0  p=1  q^6 −6q^5 +23q^4 −24q^3 +15q^2 −6q+1=0  approximating ⇒ q=.388457 ∨ q=.476013  ⇒ b=.623263 ∨ b=.689937

y=baa2x2normalinx=t:y=kx+dy=btaa2t2k=aa2t2btd=ykt=a2b2aba2t2butd=bt=±a2a22b3a2b2a>ba22b2u=baa2t2=b3a2b2lineBT:y=b+utxb(y=b+utxb)(y=x)x=btbt+u=ba22b2ba22b2=rCT2=r2thisleadsto2a2b3a22b2=(ab)3(a+b)3squaringleadstoa126a10b2+15a8b424a6b6+23a4b86a2b10+b12=0a=p;b=qp66p5q+15p4q224p3q3+23p2q46pq5+q6=0p=1q66q5+23q424q3+15q26q+1=0approximatingq=.388457q=.476013b=.623263b=.689937

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