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Question Number 50048 by ajfour last updated on 13/Dec/18

Commented by ajfour last updated on 13/Dec/18

Find R in terms of a and b.

FindRintermsofaandb.

Commented by ajfour last updated on 13/Dec/18

Commented by MJS last updated on 14/Dec/18

the problem can be seen as follows:  2 circles are given with radii a and b, they  have exactly 1 common point  we′re looking (1) for a 3^(rd)  circle touching both  in exactly 1 common point each, with radius R  we′re looking (2) for pairs of tangents to  circles a and b which include a right angle    the goal is to find R and the tangents meeting  in the center of the 3^(rd)  circle    we can put the circles as follows:  (x−a)^2 +y^2 =a^2 ; a<0  (x−b)^2 +y^2 =b^2 ; b>0  (x−p)^2 +(y−q)^2 =R^2   ⇒ p=((a+b)/(a−b))R; q=−(2/(a−b))(√(abR(a−b−R)))  we need the upper half circles for the  tangents. let x=u for circle a and x=v for  circle b ⇒ tangent at x=v normal to tangent  in x=u ⇔ v=b−(b/a)(√(2au−u^2 ))  the tangents then intersect at  ((m),(n) ) with  m=((a−b)/a^2 )u^2 +((2b−a)/a)u−(b/a)(√(2au−u^2 ))  n=(b/a)u−b+(((a−b)u+ab)/a^2 )(√(2au−u^2 ))  now we have the system  p=m  q=n  which must be solved for u and R  but it leads to a polynome of 8^(th)  degree...

theproblemcanbeseenasfollows:2circlesaregivenwithradiiaandb,theyhaveexactly1commonpointwerelooking(1)fora3rdcircletouchingbothinexactly1commonpointeach,withradiusRwerelooking(2)forpairsoftangentstocirclesaandbwhichincludearightanglethegoalistofindRandthetangentsmeetinginthecenterofthe3rdcirclewecanputthecirclesasfollows:(xa)2+y2=a2;a<0(xb)2+y2=b2;b>0(xp)2+(yq)2=R2p=a+babR;q=2ababR(abR)weneedtheupperhalfcirclesforthetangents.letx=uforcircleaandx=vforcirclebtangentatx=vnormaltotangentinx=uv=bba2auu2thetangentsthenintersectat(mn)withm=aba2u2+2baauba2auu2n=baub+(ab)u+aba22auu2nowwehavethesystemp=mq=nwhichmustbesolvedforuandRbutitleadstoapolynomeof8thdegree...

Commented by ajfour last updated on 14/Dec/18

Thanks for the overview Sir, i  myself wanted to analyse it this  way.

ThanksfortheoverviewSir,imyselfwantedtoanalyseitthisway.

Answered by behi83417@gmail.com last updated on 13/Dec/18

cosα=((√((R+b)^2 −b^2 ))/(R+b))=((√(R^2 +2Rb))/(R+b))=((√(1+2n))/(1+n))  cosγ=((√((R+a)^2 −a^2 ))/(R+a))=((√(R^2 +2Ra))/(R+a))=((√(1+2m))/(1+m))  sinα=(b/(R+b))=(n/(1+n)),sinγ=(a/(R+a))=(m/(1+m))  (a/R)=m,(b/R)=n  sin(α+γ)=((m(√(1+2n))+n(√(1+2m)))/((1+m)(1+n)))  =((s(t^2 −1)+t(s^2 −1))/(4(1+((t^2 −1)/2))(1+((s^2 −1)/2))))=(((st−1)(s+t))/((s^2 +1)(t^2 +1)))  [1+2m=t^2 ,1+2n=s^2 ⇒m=((t^2 −1)/2),n=((s^2 −1)/2)]  β=90−(α+γ)⇒cosβ=sin(α+γ)  (a+b)^2 =(R+a)^2 +(R+b)^2 −2(R+a)(R+b).cosβ⇒  (m+n)^2 =[(1+m)^2 +(1+n)^2 −2(m(√(1+2n))+n(√(1+2m)))]  (((t^2 +s^2 −2)/2))^2 =[(((t^2 +1)/2))^2 +(((s^2 +1)/2))^2 −2(((t^2 −1)/2)s+((s^2 −1)/2)t)]  (t^2 +s^2 −2)^2 =(t^2 +1)^2 +(s^2 +1)^2 −4(st^2 +ts^2 −s−t)  t^4 +s^4 +4−4t^2 −4s^2 +2t^2 s^2 =  t^4 +2t^2 +1+s^4 +2s^2 +1−4st^2 −4ts^2 +4s+4t  3t^2 +3s^2 −t^2 s^2 −2st^2 −2ts^2 +2s+2t=0  (s^2 +2s−3)t^2 +2(s^2 −1)t−(3s^2 +2s)=0  △′=b′^2 −ac=(s^2 −1)^2 +(s^2 +2s−3)(3s^2 +2s)=  =s^4 −2s^2 +1+3s^4 +2s^3 +6s^3 +4s^2 −9s^2 −6s=  =4s^4 +8s^3 −7s^2 −6s+1  =(s−1)[4s^3 +12s^2 +5s−1]  t=(((1−s^2 )±(√(4s^4 +8s^3 −7s^2 −6s+1)))/(s^2 +2s−3))  .....

cosα=(R+b)2b2R+b=R2+2RbR+b=1+2n1+ncosγ=(R+a)2a2R+a=R2+2RaR+a=1+2m1+msinα=bR+b=n1+n,sinγ=aR+a=m1+maR=m,bR=nsin(α+γ)=m1+2n+n1+2m(1+m)(1+n)=s(t21)+t(s21)4(1+t212)(1+s212)=(st1)(s+t)(s2+1)(t2+1)[1+2m=t2,1+2n=s2m=t212,n=s212]β=90(α+γ)cosβ=sin(α+γ)(a+b)2=(R+a)2+(R+b)22(R+a)(R+b).cosβ(m+n)2=[(1+m)2+(1+n)22(m1+2n+n1+2m)](t2+s222)2=[(t2+12)2+(s2+12)22(t212s+s212t)](t2+s22)2=(t2+1)2+(s2+1)24(st2+ts2st)t4+s4+44t24s2+2t2s2=t4+2t2+1+s4+2s2+14st24ts2+4s+4t3t2+3s2t2s22st22ts2+2s+2t=0(s2+2s3)t2+2(s21)t(3s2+2s)=0=b2ac=(s21)2+(s2+2s3)(3s2+2s)==s42s2+1+3s4+2s3+6s3+4s29s26s==4s4+8s37s26s+1=(s1)[4s3+12s2+5s1]t=(1s2)±4s4+8s37s26s+1s2+2s3.....

Answered by tanmay.chaudhury50@gmail.com last updated on 13/Dec/18

eq of circles  x^2 +y^2 =R^2   (x−α)^2 +(y−b^2 )=b^2   (x−a)^2 +(y−β)^2 =a^2   (R+b)^2 =(α−0)^2 +(b−0)^2   R^2 +2Rb−α^2 =0  (R+a)^2 =(a−0)^2 +(β−0)^2   R^2 +2Ra−β^2 =0  m_1 =tanθ_1 =((b−0)/(α−0))=(b/(√(R^2 +2Rb)))    m_2 =tanθ_2 =((β−0)/(a−0))=((√(R^2 +2Ra))/a)    cos(θ_2 −θ_1 )=((R^2 +R^2 −(a+b)^2 )/(2.R.R))  2R^2 {1−cos(θ_2 −θ_1 )}=(a+b)^2   2Rsin(((θ_2 −θ_1 )/2))=(a+b)  sin(((θ_2 −θ_ )/2))=((a+b)/(2R))  tan{2×(((θ_2 −θ_1 )/2))}=tan(θ_2 −θ_1 )  ((2tan(((θ_2 −θ_1 )/2)))/(1−tan^2 (((θ_2 −θ_1 )/2))))=((tanθ_2 −tanθ_1 )/(1+tanθ_2 tanθ_ ))  ((2×(((a+b))/(√(4R^2 −(a+b)^2 ))))/(1−(((a+b)^2 )/(4R^2 −(a+b)^2 )))) =((((√(R^2 +2Ra))/a)−(b/(√(R^2 +2Rb))))/(1+(b/a)×(√((R^2 +2Ra)/(R^2 +2Rb)))))  wait i have to simplify...

eqofcirclesx2+y2=R2(xα)2+(yb2)=b2(xa)2+(yβ)2=a2(R+b)2=(α0)2+(b0)2R2+2Rbα2=0(R+a)2=(a0)2+(β0)2R2+2Raβ2=0m1=tanθ1=b0α0=bR2+2Rbm2=tanθ2=β0a0=R2+2Raacos(θ2θ1)=R2+R2(a+b)22.R.R2R2{1cos(θ2θ1)}=(a+b)22Rsin(θ2θ12)=(a+b)sin(θ2θ2)=a+b2Rtan{2×(θ2θ12)}=tan(θ2θ1)2tan(θ2θ12)1tan2(θ2θ12)=tanθ2tanθ11+tanθ2tanθ2×(a+b)4R2(a+b)21(a+b)24R2(a+b)2=R2+2RaabR2+2Rb1+ba×R2+2RaR2+2Rbwaitihavetosimplify...

Answered by ajfour last updated on 13/Dec/18

let (b/R) = s,  (a/R) = t  sin α = (b/(R+b)) = (s/(1+s))  sin γ = (a/(R+a)) = (t/(1+t))  cos β = (((R+a)^2 +(R+b)^2 −(a+b)^2 )/(2(R+a)(R+b)))               = (((1+t)^2 +(1+s)^2 −(t+s)^2 )/(2(1+t)(1+s)))               = ((1+t+s−st)/(1+t+s+st))  cos β = sin (α+γ)  ⇒  ((1+t+s−st)/(1+t+s+st)) = (s/(1+s))×((√(1+2t))/(1+t))+(t/(1+t))×((√(1+2s))/(1+s))  ⇒ 1+s+t−st = s(√(1+2t))+t(√(1+2s))  ⇒  1+(b/R)+(a/R)−((ab)/R^2 ) = (b/R)(√(1+((2a)/R))) +(a/R)(√(1+((2b)/R)))  R^2 +(a+b)R−ab = (√R)(b(√(R+2a))+a(√(R+2b)) )  let  (R/b) = x ,  (a/b) = c  ⇒  x^2 +(c+1)x−c = (√x) ((√(x+2c))+c(√(x+2)) )  ⇒ i cannot solve it .

letbR=s,aR=tsinα=bR+b=s1+ssinγ=aR+a=t1+tcosβ=(R+a)2+(R+b)2(a+b)22(R+a)(R+b)=(1+t)2+(1+s)2(t+s)22(1+t)(1+s)=1+t+sst1+t+s+stcosβ=sin(α+γ)1+t+sst1+t+s+st=s1+s×1+2t1+t+t1+t×1+2s1+s1+s+tst=s1+2t+t1+2s1+bR+aRabR2=bR1+2aR+aR1+2bRR2+(a+b)Rab=R(bR+2a+aR+2b)letRb=x,ab=cx2+(c+1)xc=x(x+2c+cx+2)icannotsolveit.

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