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Question Number 53755 by ajfour last updated on 25/Jan/19

Commented by ajfour last updated on 25/Jan/19

thanks, how is scalene △ area  obtained ?

thanks,howisscaleneareaobtained?

Commented by mr W last updated on 25/Jan/19

Commented by Kunal12588 last updated on 25/Jan/19

s=((p+q+q+r+r+p)/2)=p+q+r  (√(s(s−a)(s−b)(s−c)))   =(√((p+q+r)(p+q+r−p−q)(p+q+r−q−r)(p+q+r−r−p)))  =(√((p+q+r)pqr)) (it seems to be right)  really cool sir^

s=p+q+q+r+r+p2=p+q+rs(sa)(sb)(sc)=(p+q+r)(p+q+rpq)(p+q+rqr)(p+q+rrp)=(p+q+r)pqr(itseemstoberight)reallycoolsir

Commented by ajfour last updated on 25/Jan/19

incidently i found just now that  Area(△ABC)=(√((p+q+r)pqr))  but why ? [how to find area of a  triangle = (√(s(s−a)(s−b)(s−c)))  ?]  what i did  p+q=c  q+r=a  r+p=b  ⇒  p+q+r = s  ⇒ p=s−a , q=s−b , r=s−c  Area(△ABC)=(√(s(s−a)(s−b)(s−c)))  hence  △=(√((p+q+r)pqr))  .  but how △=(√(s(s−a)(s−b)(s−c)))  if i knew i have forgotten..  please help..

incidentlyifoundjustnowthatArea(ABC)=(p+q+r)pqrbutwhy?[howtofindareaofatriangle=s(sa)(sb)(sc)?]whatididp+q=cq+r=ar+p=bp+q+r=sp=sa,q=sb,r=scArea(ABC)=s(sa)(sb)(sc)hence=(p+q+r)pqr.buthow=s(sa)(sb)(sc)ifiknewihaveforgotten..pleasehelp..

Commented by tanmay.chaudhury50@gmail.com last updated on 25/Jan/19

area △=(1/2)absinC  cosC=((a^2 +b^2 −c^2 )/(2ab))  sinC=(√(1−(((a^2 +b^2 −c^2 )/(2ab)))^2 ))   =(√(((2ab+a^2 +b^2 −c^2 )(2ab−a^2 −b^2 +c^2 )/(4a^2 b^2 )))   =(1/(2ab))×(√((a+b+c)(a+b−c)(c+a−b)(c−a+b)))   △=(1/2)absinC  =(1/2)ab×((√((a+b+c)(a+b−c)(c+a−b)(c−a+b)))/(2ab))  =(√(((a+b+c)/2)×((a+b−c)/2)×((a+c−b)/2)×((b+c−a)/2)))  s=((a+b+c)/2)(assume)  =(√(s×((2s−c−c)/2)×((2s−b−b)/2)×((2s−a−a)/2)))  =(√(((s(2s−2c))/2)×((2s−2b)/2)×((2s−2a)/2)))   =(√(s(s−a)(s−b)(s−c))) Proof

area=12absinCcosC=a2+b2c22absinC=1(a2+b2c22ab)2=(2ab+a2+b2c2)(2aba2b2+c24a2b2=12ab×(a+b+c)(a+bc)(c+ab)(ca+b)=12absinC=12ab×(a+b+c)(a+bc)(c+ab)(ca+b)2ab=a+b+c2×a+bc2×a+cb2×b+ca2s=a+b+c2(assume)=s×2scc2×2sbb2×2saa2=s(2s2c)2×2s2b2×2s2a2=s(sa)(sb)(sc)Proof

Commented by mr W last updated on 25/Jan/19

(√(c^2 −h^2 ))+(√(b^2 −h^2 ))=a  (√(c^2 −h^2 ))=a−(√(b^2 −h^2 ))  c^2 −h^2 =a^2 −2a(√(b^2 −h^2 ))+b^2 −h^2   a^2 +b^2 −c^2 =2a(√(b^2 −h^2 ))  (a^2 +b^2 −c^2 )^2 =4a^2 (b^2 −h^2 )  4a^2 h^2 =(2ab)^2 −(a^2 +b^2 −c^2 )^2   4a^2 h^2 =(2ab+a^2 +b^2 −c^2 )(2ab−a^2 −b^2 +c^2 )  4a^2 h^2 =[(a+b)^2 −c^2 ][c^2 −(a−b)^2 ]  4a^2 h^2 =(a+b+c)(a+b−c)(c+a−b)(c−a+b)  4a^2 h^2 =(a+b+c)(−a+b+c)(a−b+c)(a+b−c)  4a^2 h^2 =2s(2s−2a)(2s−2b)(2s−2c)  a^2 h^2 =4s(s−a)(s−b)(s−c)  ⇒h=((2(√(s(s−a)(s−b)(s−c))))/a)  Δ=((ah)/2)=(√(s(s−a)(s−b)(s−c)))

c2h2+b2h2=ac2h2=ab2h2c2h2=a22ab2h2+b2h2a2+b2c2=2ab2h2(a2+b2c2)2=4a2(b2h2)4a2h2=(2ab)2(a2+b2c2)24a2h2=(2ab+a2+b2c2)(2aba2b2+c2)4a2h2=[(a+b)2c2][c2(ab)2]4a2h2=(a+b+c)(a+bc)(c+ab)(ca+b)4a2h2=(a+b+c)(a+b+c)(ab+c)(a+bc)4a2h2=2s(2s2a)(2s2b)(2s2c)a2h2=4s(sa)(sb)(sc)h=2s(sa)(sb)(sc)aΔ=ah2=s(sa)(sb)(sc)

Commented by Kunal12588 last updated on 25/Jan/19

the formula(√(s(s−a)(s−b)(s−c))) is called  Heron′s formula

theformulas(sa)(sb)(sc)iscalledHeronsformula

Commented by ajfour last updated on 25/Jan/19

Thanks eveyrone! but i believe  there has to be some more basic,  natural and symmetrical way to  the formula.

Thankseveyrone!butibelievetherehastobesomemorebasic,naturalandsymmetricalwaytotheformula.

Commented by peter frank last updated on 25/Jan/19

perimeter of triangle  s=((a+b+c)/2)  2s=a+b+c  from  A=(1/2)absin c  A=(1/2)ab2sin (c/2)cos (c/2)  A^2 =a^2 b^2 sin^2 (c/2)cos^2 (c/2)  sin^2 (c/2)=?  cos^2 (c/2)=?  sin^2 c=((1−cos c)/2)  from  c^2 =a^2 +b^2 −2abcos c  cos c=((a^2 +b^2 −c^2 )/(2ab))  sin^2 (c/2)=((1−(((a^2 +b^2 −c^2 )/(2ab))))/2)  sin^2 (c/2)=((c^2 +2ab−a^2 −b^2 )/(4ab))  sin^2 (c/2)=((c^2 −(a−b)^2 )/(4ab))  sin^2 c=(((a+c−b)(c−(a−b))/(4ab))  recall  2s=a+b+c  a+c=2s−b  sin^2 (c/2)=(((a+c−b)(c−(a−b))/(4ab))  sin^2 (c/2)=(((s−b)(s−a))/(ab)).....(i)  recall  cos^2 (c/2)=((1+cos c)/2)  c^2 =a^2 +b^2 −2abcos c  cos c=((a^2 +b^2 −c^2 )/(2ab))  cos^2 (c/2)=((1+(((a^2 +b^2 −c^2 )/(2ab))))/2)  cos^2 (c/2)=((a^2 +b^2 +2ab−c^2 )/(4ab))  cos^2 (c/2)=((s(s−c))/(ab))......(ii)  A^2 =a^2 b^2 sin^2 (c/2)cos^2 (c/2)  A^2 =a^2 b^2 (((s−b)(s−a))/(ab)).((s(s−c))/(ab))  A^2 =s(s−a)(s−b)(s−c)  A=(√(s(s−a)(s−b)(s−c)))

perimeteroftriangles=a+b+c22s=a+b+cfromA=12absincA=12ab2sinc2cosc2A2=a2b2sin2c2cos2c2sin2c2=?cos2c2=?sin2c=1cosc2fromc2=a2+b22abcosccosc=a2+b2c22absin2c2=1(a2+b2c22ab)2sin2c2=c2+2aba2b24absin2c2=c2(ab)24absin2c=(a+cb)(c(ab)4abrecall2s=a+b+ca+c=2sbsin2c2=(a+cb)(c(ab)4absin2c2=(sb)(sa)ab.....(i)recallcos2c2=1+cosc2c2=a2+b22abcosccosc=a2+b2c22abcos2c2=1+(a2+b2c22ab)2cos2c2=a2+b2+2abc24abcos2c2=s(sc)ab......(ii)A2=a2b2sin2c2cos2c2A2=a2b2(sb)(sa)ab.s(sc)abA2=s(sa)(sb)(sc)A=s(sa)(sb)(sc)

Answered by MJS last updated on 25/Jan/19

these things I remember, but some further  steps are missing  (1) draw a triangle and its incircle (center=I)  (2) draw the radii ⊥ to the sides which leads         to the points I_a , I_b , I_c   (3) ∣AI_b ∣=∣AI_c ∣=i         ∣BI_a ∣=∣BI_c ∣=j         ∣CI_a ∣=∣CI_b ∣=k  (4) the area of ABC is the same as the sum         of the areas of the 6 rectangular sub−         triangles we just created:         △=r(i+j+k)  (5) the area of ABC is the same as the sum         of the three triangles ABI, BCI, CAI         △=(r/2)(a+b+c)    (6) we know  i+j=c  i+k=b  j+k=a  we can put s=((a+b+c)/2)  ⇒ i=s−a; j=s−b; k=s−c    there was something with the radii of the  excircles to eliminate r...

thesethingsIremember,butsomefurtherstepsaremissing(1)drawatriangleanditsincircle(center=I)(2)drawtheradiitothesideswhichleadstothepointsIa,Ib,Ic(3)AIb∣=∣AIc∣=iBIa∣=∣BIc∣=jCIa∣=∣CIb∣=k(4)theareaofABCisthesameasthesumoftheareasofthe6rectangularsubtriangleswejustcreated:=r(i+j+k)(5)theareaofABCisthesameasthesumofthethreetrianglesABI,BCI,CAI=r2(a+b+c)(6)weknowi+j=ci+k=bj+k=awecanputs=a+b+c2i=sa;j=sb;k=sctherewassomethingwiththeradiioftheexcirclestoeliminater...

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