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Question Number 62542 by mr W last updated on 22/Jun/19

Commented by mr W last updated on 22/Jun/19

the distances of a point M to the  vertexes of a triangle are p,q,r.  find the side lengthes and hence the  perimeter of the triangle with the  largest perimeter.

thedistancesofapointMtothevertexesofatrianglearep,q,r.findthesidelengthesandhencetheperimeterofthetrianglewiththelargestperimeter.

Answered by mr W last updated on 23/Jun/19

i think M should be center of incircle  such that perimeter is maximum.  let k=radius of incircle  ∠A=2 sin^(−1) (k/p)  ∠B=2 sin^(−1) (k/q)  ∠C=2 sin^(−1) (k/r)  ∠A+∠B+∠C=π  ⇒sin^(−1) (k/p)+sin^(−1) (k/q)+sin^(−1) (k/r)=(π/2)  ⇒cos (sin^(−1) (k/p)+sin^(−1) (k/q))=cos ((π/2)−sin^(−1) (k/r))  (√((1−(k^2 /p^2 ))(1−(k^2 /q^2 ))))−(k^2 /(pq))=(k/r)  (√((1−(k^2 /p^2 ))(1−(k^2 /q^2 ))))=(k/r)+(k^2 /(pq))  (1−(k^2 /p^2 ))(1−(k^2 /q^2 ))=(k^2 /r^2 )+(k^4 /(p^2 q^2 ))+((2k^3 )/(pqr))  ((2k^3 )/(pqr))+((1/p^2 )+(1/q^2 )+(1/r^2 ))k^2 −1=0  k^3 +3((p^2 q^2 +q^2 r^2 +r^2 p^2 )/(6pqr))k^2 −2((pqr)/4)=0  ⇒k^3 +3uk^2 −2v=0  k=s−u  ⇒s^3 −3u^2 s+2(u^3 −v)=0  s=2u sin {(1/3) sin^(−1) (1−(v/u^3 ))+((2nπ)/3)}  k=u[2 sin {(1/3) sin^(−1) (1−(v/u^3 ))+((2π)/3)}−1]>0  ⇒k=((p^2 q^2 +q^2 r^2 +r^2 p^2 )/(6pqr))[2 sin {(1/3) sin^(−1) (1−((54p^4 q^4 r^4 )/((p^2 q^2 +q^2 r^2 +r^2 p^2 )^3 )))+((2π)/3)}−1]  ⇒a=(√(q^2 −k^2 ))+(√(r^2 −k^2 ))  ⇒b=(√(r^2 −k^2 ))+(√(p^2 −k^2 ))  ⇒c=(√(p^2 −k^2 ))+(√(q^2 −k^2 ))

ithinkMshouldbecenterofincirclesuchthatperimeterismaximum.letk=radiusofincircleA=2sin1kpB=2sin1kqC=2sin1krA+B+C=πsin1kp+sin1kq+sin1kr=π2cos(sin1kp+sin1kq)=cos(π2sin1kr)(1k2p2)(1k2q2)k2pq=kr(1k2p2)(1k2q2)=kr+k2pq(1k2p2)(1k2q2)=k2r2+k4p2q2+2k3pqr2k3pqr+(1p2+1q2+1r2)k21=0k3+3p2q2+q2r2+r2p26pqrk22pqr4=0k3+3uk22v=0k=sus33u2s+2(u3v)=0s=2usin{13sin1(1vu3)+2nπ3}k=u[2sin{13sin1(1vu3)+2π3}1]>0k=p2q2+q2r2+r2p26pqr[2sin{13sin1(154p4q4r4(p2q2+q2r2+r2p2)3)+2π3}1]a=q2k2+r2k2b=r2k2+p2k2c=p2k2+q2k2

Commented by ajfour last updated on 22/Jun/19

Great, Sir, but any supporting  idea to why M should be incentre  if the perineter is to be a maximum..

Great,Sir,butanysupportingideatowhyMshouldbeincentreiftheperineteristobeamaximum..

Commented by mr W last updated on 23/Jun/19

Commented by mr W last updated on 23/Jun/19

(see diagram above)  let′s look at the case when B, C are  given and A is to determine, which  must lie on a circle with center M.  the law of nature tells us: when the  path from B to C via A should be   optimum (minimum or maximum),  it must follow the path of a light ray,  i.e. as if the circle were a mirror.   point A should be the reflection point  of the light ray and therefore AM  is the bisector of angle ∠BAC.  when we consider not only point A,  but also other vertexes, we will  conclude that the triangle has optimum  perimeter when M is on the bisectors  of all angles of the triangle, that  means M is the center of its incircle.

(seediagramabove)letslookatthecasewhenB,CaregivenandAistodetermine,whichmustlieonacirclewithcenterM.thelawofnaturetellsus:whenthepathfromBtoCviaAshouldbeoptimum(minimumormaximum),itmustfollowthepathofalightray,i.e.asifthecirclewereamirror.pointAshouldbethereflectionpointofthelightrayandthereforeAMisthebisectorofangleBAC.whenweconsidernotonlypointA,butalsoothervertexes,wewillconcludethatthetrianglehasoptimumperimeterwhenMisonthebisectorsofallanglesofthetriangle,thatmeansMisthecenterofitsincircle.

Commented by mr W last updated on 23/Jun/19

Commented by mr W last updated on 23/Jun/19

(see diagram above)  we can also consider like this:  point A lies on circle with center M.  we know the locus of a point, whose  sum of distances to B and C is  constant, is an ellipse with focuses  at point B and C.  infinite such  ellipses are possible. the sum of the  distances AB+AC is maximum,  when A also lies on such an ellipse  which touches the circle with center M.  in this case AM is also a normal  of the ellipse. we know a light ray   from a focus of an ellipse passes also  through the other focus after reflection  on the ellipse, i.e. the normal at  point A is the angle bisector of the  light ray BA and AC, see also  following diagram.

(seediagramabove)wecanalsoconsiderlikethis:pointAliesoncirclewithcenterM.weknowthelocusofapoint,whosesumofdistancestoBandCisconstant,isanellipsewithfocusesatpointBandC.infinitesuchellipsesarepossible.thesumofthedistancesAB+ACismaximum,whenAalsoliesonsuchanellipsewhichtouchesthecirclewithcenterM.inthiscaseAMisalsoanormaloftheellipse.weknowalightrayfromafocusofanellipsepassesalsothroughtheotherfocusafterreflectionontheellipse,i.e.thenormalatpointAistheanglebisectorofthelightrayBAandAC,seealsofollowingdiagram.

Commented by mr W last updated on 23/Jun/19

Commented by mr W last updated on 23/Jun/19

due to this consideration i think the  triangle we search is that one whose  incircle center is the point M.  we don′t need to apply calculus method  like (∂P/∂θ)=0 and (∂P/∂ϕ)=0.

duetothisconsiderationithinkthetrianglewesearchisthatonewhoseincirclecenteristhepointM.wedontneedtoapplycalculusmethodlikePθ=0andPφ=0.

Commented by ajfour last updated on 23/Jun/19

Plentiful evidence, Sir. Thanks  a lot. But yet an analytical way  to prove this isn′t easy (i tried)!

Plentifulevidence,Sir.Thanksalot.Butyetananalyticalwaytoprovethisisnteasy(itried)!

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