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Question Number 70159 by ajfour last updated on 01/Oct/19

Commented by ajfour last updated on 01/Oct/19

Under balanced conditions, find  θ . All surfaces frictionless.

Underbalancedconditions,findθ.Allsurfacesfrictionless.

Answered by mr W last updated on 01/Oct/19

Commented by mr W last updated on 01/Oct/19

let L=length of rods  (N_1 −((Mg)/2))L sin (θ/2)=amg   ...(i)  (N_2 −((Mg)/2))L sin (θ/2)=2bmg sin α   ...(ii)  (ii)/(i):  ((N_2 −((Mg)/2))/(N_1 −((Mg)/2)))=((2bsin α)/a)=2  2N_2 −Mg=2(2N_1 −Mg)  ⇒2N_2 =4N_1 −Mg  N_1 =Mg+((L−b)/(2L))mg  N_2 =Mg+((L+b)/(2L))mg  2Mg+((2(L+b))/(2L))mg=4Mg+((4(L−b))/(2L))mg−Mg  ⇒(b/L)=(1/3)((M/m)+2)  from (i):  (Mg+((L−b)/(2L))mg−((Mg)/2))L sin (θ/2)=mgb cos θ  ((M/m)+1−(b/L))sin (θ/2)=2 cos θ (b/L)  ((2M+m)/(2(M+2m)))sin (θ/2)=1−2 sin^2  (θ/2)   2 sin^2  (θ/2)+μ sin (θ/2)−1=0  ⇒sin (θ/2)=(((√(μ^2 +8))−1)/4)  ⇒θ=2 sin^(−1) (((√(μ^2 +8))−1)/4)  with μ=((2M+m)/(2(M+2m)))

letL=lengthofrods(N1Mg2)Lsinθ2=amg...(i)(N2Mg2)Lsinθ2=2bmgsinα...(ii)(ii)/(i):N2Mg2N1Mg2=2bsinαa=22N2Mg=2(2N1Mg)2N2=4N1MgN1=Mg+Lb2LmgN2=Mg+L+b2Lmg2Mg+2(L+b)2Lmg=4Mg+4(Lb)2LmgMgbL=13(Mm+2)from(i):(Mg+Lb2LmgMg2)Lsinθ2=mgbcosθ(Mm+1bL)sinθ2=2cosθbL2M+m2(M+2m)sinθ2=12sin2θ22sin2θ2+μsinθ21=0sinθ2=μ2+814θ=2sin1μ2+814withμ=2M+m2(M+2m)

Commented by ajfour last updated on 01/Oct/19

looks right sir, let me check  in detail in some while, thanks!

looksrightsir,letmecheckindetailinsomewhile,thanks!

Commented by ajfour last updated on 02/Oct/19

N_1 =Mg+((L−b)/(2L))mg  N_2 =Mg+((L+b)/(2L))mg  Sir please explain above two eqs.

N1=Mg+Lb2LmgN2=Mg+L+b2LmgSirpleaseexplainabovetwoeqs.

Commented by mr W last updated on 02/Oct/19

the weight of the two rods is equally  distributed between N_1 and N_2 , that′s  clear.  the weight mg will be distributed   unequally in this way:  N_1 ×2L sin (θ/2)=mg×(L−b) sin (θ/2)  ⇒N_1 =((L−b)/(2L)) mg  N_2 ×2L sin (θ/2)=mg×(L+b) sin (θ/2)  ⇒N_2 =((L+b)/(2L)) mg  therefore:  ⇒N_1 =Mg+((L−b)/(2L)) mg  ⇒N_2 =Mg+((L+b)/(2L)) mg

theweightofthetworodsisequallydistributedbetweenN1andN2,thatsclear.theweightmgwillbedistributedunequallyinthisway:N1×2Lsinθ2=mg×(Lb)sinθ2N1=Lb2LmgN2×2Lsinθ2=mg×(L+b)sinθ2N2=L+b2Lmgtherefore:N1=Mg+Lb2LmgN2=Mg+L+b2Lmg

Commented by mr W last updated on 02/Oct/19

sir, can you check the question again:  i think the system can not be  in equilibrium.  to keep the equilibrium it must be  θ=2 sin^(−1) (((√(μ^2 +8))−1)/4)  but on the other side it must be  α=90°−θ=(θ/2) ⇒θ=60°

sir,canyoucheckthequestionagain:ithinkthesystemcannotbeinequilibrium.tokeeptheequilibriumitmustbeθ=2sin1μ2+814butontheothersideitmustbeα=90°θ=θ2θ=60°

Commented by mr W last updated on 03/Oct/19

Commented by ajfour last updated on 04/Oct/19

2Mg+((2(L+b))/(2L))mg=4Mg+((4(L−b))/(2L))mg−Mg  Sir explain how you form this  eq.   and it might not lead to         (b/L)=(1/3)((M/m)+2)  ....

2Mg+2(L+b)2Lmg=4Mg+4(Lb)2LmgMgSirexplainhowyouformthiseq.anditmightnotleadtobL=13(Mm+2)....

Commented by mr W last updated on 04/Oct/19

(N_1 −((Mg)/2))L sin (θ/2)=mga  (N_2 −((Mg)/2))L sin (θ/2)=2mgb sin α=2mga  ⇒N_2 −((Mg)/2)=2(N_1 −((Mg)/2))  ⇒N_2 =2N_1 −((Mg)/2)  N_1 =Mg+((L−b)/(2L))mg  N_2 =Mg+((L+b)/(2L))mg  ⇒Mg+((L+b)/(2L))mg=2Mg+((2(L−b))/(2L))mg−((Mg)/2)  ⇒((3b−L)/L)m=M  ⇒(b/L)=(1/3)((M/m)+1)  (N_1 −((Mg)/2))L sin (θ/2)=mgb cos θ  (((L−b)/(2L))+(M/(2m)))sin (θ/2)=(b/L) cos θ  (1−(b/L)+(M/m))sin (θ/2)=(2/3)((M/m)+1)(1−2 sin^2  (θ/2))  (1−(1/3)((M/m)+1)+(M/m))sin (θ/2)=(2/3)((M/m)+1)(1−2 sin^2  (θ/2))  (1+(M/m))sin (θ/2)=((M/m)+1)(1−2 sin^2  (θ/2))  sin (θ/2)=1−2 sin^2  (θ/2)  2 sin^2  (θ/2)+sin (θ/2)−1=0  sin (θ/2)=(1/2)  ⇒θ=60°  we can get this directly from  α=90−θ=(θ/2)  ⇒θ=60°

(N1Mg2)Lsinθ2=mga(N2Mg2)Lsinθ2=2mgbsinα=2mgaN2Mg2=2(N1Mg2)N2=2N1Mg2N1=Mg+Lb2LmgN2=Mg+L+b2LmgMg+L+b2Lmg=2Mg+2(Lb)2LmgMg23bLLm=MbL=13(Mm+1)(N1Mg2)Lsinθ2=mgbcosθ(Lb2L+M2m)sinθ2=bLcosθ(1bL+Mm)sinθ2=23(Mm+1)(12sin2θ2)(113(Mm+1)+Mm)sinθ2=23(Mm+1)(12sin2θ2)(1+Mm)sinθ2=(Mm+1)(12sin2θ2)sinθ2=12sin2θ22sin2θ2+sinθ21=0sinθ2=12θ=60°wecangetthisdirectlyfromα=90θ=θ2θ=60°

Commented by mr W last updated on 04/Oct/19

sorry, i had a typo in  ⇒(b/L)=(1/3)((M/m)+2)  which led to wrong conclusion.

sorry,ihadatypoinbL=13(Mm+2)whichledtowrongconclusion.

Commented by ajfour last updated on 04/Oct/19

Too much fuss, about nothing!  ha ha..

Toomuchfuss,aboutnothing!haha..

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