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Question Number 71170 by mr W last updated on 12/Oct/19

Commented by mr W last updated on 12/Oct/19

Question #49583 (reposted)  in a paraboloid cup, which is absolutely  smooth, a stick remains in equilibrium  as shown. find the maximum length  the stick may have.

You can't use 'macro parameter character #' in math modeinaparaboloidcup,whichisabsolutelysmooth,astickremainsinequilibriumasshown.findthemaximumlengththestickmayhave.

Answered by mr W last updated on 12/Oct/19

Commented by mr W last updated on 01/Dec/19

let′s say the stick touches the inside  of the cup at point A(−e,f).  such that the stick is in equilibrium,  the contact forces F and N as well as  the gravity force of the stick must  intersect at the same point S.  let η=(h/R), ε=(e/R), λ=(l/R)  eqn. of parabola:  y=((hx^2 )/R^2 )=((ηx^2 )/R)  y′=((2ηx)/R)  at A(−e,f):  f=((ηe^2 )/R)=ηε^2 R  y′=−(1/(tan ϕ))=−((2ηe)/R)=−2ηε  ⇒tan ϕ=(1/(2ηε))  point B(R,h):  tan θ=((h−f)/(R+e))=((h−ηε^2 R)/(R+e))=((η(1−ε^2 ))/(1+ε))=η(1−ε)  eqn. of line AS:  ((y−f)/(x+e))=tan ϕ=(1/(2ηε))  ⇒y=f+((x+e)/(2ηε))  eqn. of line SB:  ((y−h)/(x−R))=−(1/(tan θ))=−(1/(η(1−ε)))  ⇒y=h−((x−R)/(η(1−ε)))  point S(x_S ,y_S ):  y_S =f+((x_S +e)/(2ηε))=h−((x_S −R)/(η(1−ε)))  ηε^2 R+((x_S +e)/(2ηε))=h−((x_S −R)/(η(1−ε)))  ηε^2 +(((x_S /R)+ε)/(2ηε))=η−(((x_S /R)−1)/(η(1−ε)))  let s=(x_S /R)  ηε^2 +((s+ε)/(2ηε))=η−((s−1)/(η(1−ε)))  ((s+ε)/(2ε))+((s−1)/(1−ε))=η^2 (1−ε^2 )  ((s−ε)/(2ε(1−ε)))=η^2 (1−ε)  ⇒s=ε+2η^2 ε(1−ε)^2   x_S =x_D =−e+((l cos θ)/2)=−e+(l/(2(√(1+tan^2  θ))))  s=(x_S /R)=−ε+(λ/(2(√(1+η^2 (1−ε)^2 ))))  −ε+(λ/(2(√(1+η^2 (1−ε)^2 ))))=ε+2η^2 ε(1−ε)^2   ⇒λ=4ε[1+η^2 (1−ε)^2 ]^(3/2)     for the maximum of length l,  (dλ/dε)=4[1+η^2 (1−ε)^2 ]^(3/2) +4ε(3/2)[1+η^2 (1−ε)^2 ]^(1/2) (−2εη^2 )=0  1+η^2 (1−ε)^2 −3η^2 ε(1−ε)=0  4ε^2 −5ε+1+(1/η^2 )=0  ⇒ε=(1/8)(5−(√(9−((16)/η^2 ))))  ⇒λ_(max) =(1/2)(5−(√(9−((16)/η^2 ))))[1+(η^2 /(64))(3+(√(9−((16)/η^2 ))))]^(3/2) ≥4    for η≤1.5242, λ_(max) =4

letssaythesticktouchestheinsideofthecupatpointA(e,f).suchthatthestickisinequilibrium,thecontactforcesFandNaswellasthegravityforceofthestickmustintersectatthesamepointS.letη=hR,ϵ=eR,λ=lReqn.ofparabola:y=hx2R2=ηx2Ry=2ηxRatA(e,f):f=ηe2R=ηϵ2Ry=1tanφ=2ηeR=2ηϵtanφ=12ηϵpointB(R,h):tanθ=hfR+e=hηϵ2RR+e=η(1ϵ2)1+ϵ=η(1ϵ)eqn.oflineAS:yfx+e=tanφ=12ηϵy=f+x+e2ηϵeqn.oflineSB:yhxR=1tanθ=1η(1ϵ)y=hxRη(1ϵ)pointS(xS,yS):yS=f+xS+e2ηϵ=hxSRη(1ϵ)ηϵ2R+xS+e2ηϵ=hxSRη(1ϵ)ηϵ2+xSR+ϵ2ηϵ=ηxSR1η(1ϵ)lets=xSRηϵ2+s+ϵ2ηϵ=ηs1η(1ϵ)s+ϵ2ϵ+s11ϵ=η2(1ϵ2)sϵ2ϵ(1ϵ)=η2(1ϵ)s=ϵ+2η2ϵ(1ϵ)2xS=xD=e+lcosθ2=e+l21+tan2θs=xSR=ϵ+λ21+η2(1ϵ)2ϵ+λ21+η2(1ϵ)2=ϵ+2η2ϵ(1ϵ)2λ=4ϵ[1+η2(1ϵ)2]32forthemaximumoflengthl,dλdϵ=4[1+η2(1ϵ)2]32+4ϵ32[1+η2(1ϵ)2]12(2ϵη2)=01+η2(1ϵ)23η2ϵ(1ϵ)=04ϵ25ϵ+1+1η2=0ϵ=18(5916η2)λmax=12(5916η2)[1+η264(3+916η2)]324forη1.5242,λmax=4

Commented by ajfour last updated on 12/Oct/19

did you not solve it then, sir?

didyounotsolveitthen,sir?

Commented by mr W last updated on 12/Oct/19

Commented by mr W last updated on 12/Oct/19

sir, i deleted the old post by accident,   but i wanted to keep the solution  somehow, therefore i reposted it here.

sir,ideletedtheoldpostbyaccident,butiwantedtokeepthesolutionsomehow,thereforeirepostedithere.

Commented by mr W last updated on 12/Oct/19

Commented by mr W last updated on 12/Oct/19

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