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Question Number 72036 by mr W last updated on 23/Oct/19

Commented by mr W last updated on 23/Oct/19

the cup has the shape of hemisphere  with radius R. a stick of mass m and  length l (2R<l<4R) is released at  blue position. there is no friction  between cup and stick.  find the time t in terms of θ.  find θ_(max) .

thecuphastheshapeofhemispherewithradiusR.astickofmassmandlengthl(2R<l<4R)isreleasedatblueposition.thereisnofrictionbetweencupandstick.findthetimetintermsofθ.findθmax.

Commented by ajfour last updated on 23/Oct/19

cup fixed, i guess ?

cupfixed,iguess?

Commented by mr W last updated on 23/Oct/19

yes sir.

yessir.

Answered by mr W last updated on 24/Oct/19

Commented by mr W last updated on 24/Oct/19

ϕ=(θ/2)  ω=(dϕ/dt)=(1/2)×(dθ/dt)  α=(dω/dt)=ω(dw/dϕ)=2ω(dω/dθ)  OS=R  let λ=(l/(4R)) <1  e=2R cos θ−(l/2)cos ϕ=2R(cos θ−(l/(4R)) cos (θ/2))  =2R(cos θ−λ cos (θ/2))  SM^2 =(2R)^2 +((l/2))^2 −2×2R×(l/2) cos ϕ  =4R^2 (1+λ^2 −2λ cos (θ/2))  I_S =((ml^2 )/(12))+m×SM^2   =4mR^2 (1+((4λ^2 )/3)−2λ cos (θ/2))    (1/2)I_S ω^2 =mg(R sin θ−(l/2)sin (θ/2))  2R(1+((4λ^2 )/3)−2λ cos (θ/2))ω^2 =g(sin θ−2λ sin (θ/2))  ⇒ω=(dθ/(2dt))=(√(g/(2R)))(√((sin θ−2λ sin (θ/2))/(1+((4λ^2 )/3)−2λ cos (θ/2))))  ⇒t=(√(R/(2g))) ∫_0 ^θ (√((1+((4λ^2 )/3)−2λ cos (θ/2))/(sin θ−2λ sin (θ/2))))dθ

φ=θ2ω=dφdt=12×dθdtα=dωdt=ωdwdφ=2ωdωdθOS=Rletλ=l4R<1e=2Rcosθl2cosφ=2R(cosθl4Rcosθ2)=2R(cosθλcosθ2)SM2=(2R)2+(l2)22×2R×l2cosφ=4R2(1+λ22λcosθ2)IS=ml212+m×SM2=4mR2(1+4λ232λcosθ2)12ISω2=mg(Rsinθl2sinθ2)2R(1+4λ232λcosθ2)ω2=g(sinθ2λsinθ2)ω=dθ2dt=g2Rsinθ2λsinθ21+4λ232λcosθ2t=R2g0θ1+4λ232λcosθ2sinθ2λsinθ2dθ

Commented by ajfour last updated on 24/Oct/19

αI_S =mge  please check sir, i have little  doubt..   (dL_S /dt)= I_S α+(dI_S /dt)ω=mge

αIS=mgepleasechecksir,ihavelittledoubt..dLSdt=ISα+dISdtω=mge

Commented by mr W last updated on 24/Oct/19

you are very right sir! it is a   system with variable MoI.  but  (1/2)I_S ω^2 =mgΔh  should be ok.

youareveryrightsir!itisasystemwithvariableMoI.but12ISω2=mgΔhshouldbeok.

Commented by ajfour last updated on 24/Oct/19

yes i too think the other one okay.

yesitoothinktheotheroneokay.

Commented by mr W last updated on 24/Oct/19

thanks alot sir!

thanksalotsir!

Answered by ajfour last updated on 23/Oct/19

Commented by ajfour last updated on 24/Oct/19

AP =2Rcos (θ/2)     ;  x=l−2Rcos (θ/2)  let φ=(θ/2)  τ_P =−(Nsin φ)(l−x)+(mgcos φ)((l/2)−x)                                                    .....(i)  Also along rod   Ncos φ−mgsin φ=m(d^2 x/dt^2 )+mω^2 ((l/2)−x)                                            ........(ii)  L=I_P  ω   let  ω=(dφ/dt)=((d(θ/2))/dt)  I_P =((ml^2 )/(12))+m((l/2)−x)^2   (dL/dt)=2ωm((l/2)−x)(−(dx/dt))+          [((ml^2 )/2)+m((l/2)−x)^2 ](dω/dt)   ..(iii)    x=l−2Rcos φ  ⇒ −(dx/dt)=−ωRsin φ       (d^2 x/dt^2 )=ω^2 Rcos φ  Now from (ii)   Ncos φ−mgsin φ=m(d^2 x/dt^2 )+mω^2 ((l/2)−x)  ⇒ N=mgtan φ+mω^2 R+mω^2 ((l/2)−x)sec φ  using this and (i), (iii) in     (dL/dt)=τ_P    ⇒  2ωm((l/2)−x)(−(dx/dt))+[((ml^2 )/(12))+m((l/2)−x)^2 ](dω/dt)  =−(Nsin φ)(l−x)+(mgcos φ)((l/2)−x)  ⇒  2ω(2Rcos φ−(l/2))(−ωRsin φ)  +[(l^2 /(12))+(2Rcos φ)^2 ]((ωdω)/dφ) =    −{gtan φ+ω^2 R+ω^2 (2Rcos φ−(l/2))sec φ}sin φ(2Rcos φ)      +gcos φ(2Rcos φ−(l/2))  ⇒  ((l^2 /(12))+4R^2 cos^2 φ)((ωdω)/dφ)    +2ω^2 R^2 sin φcos φ =       2gR(cos^2 φ−sin^2 φ)−((glcos φ)/2)  let  ω^2 =z  ⇒  (dz/dφ)+(((4R^2 sin φcos φ)/((l^2 /(12))+4R^2 cos^2 φ)))z          = ((4gR(cos^2 φ−sin^2 φ)−glcos φ)/(l^2 /12+4R^2 cos^2 φ))  e^(∫Pdx) =e^(∫((4R^2 sin φcos φdφ)/(l^2 /12+4R^2 cos^2 φ)))       =−(1/(√(l^2 /12+4R^2 cos^2 φ)))  ⇒ −(z/(√(l^2 /12+4R^2 cos^2 φ)))      =∫(([4gR(cos^2 φ−sin^2 φ)−glcos φ]dφ)/((l^2 /12+4R^2 cos^2 φ)^(3/2) ))  .....

AP=2Rcosθ2;x=l2Rcosθ2letϕ=θ2τP=(Nsinϕ)(lx)+(mgcosϕ)(l2x).....(i)AlsoalongrodNcosϕmgsinϕ=md2xdt2+mω2(l2x)........(ii)L=IPωletω=dϕdt=d(θ/2)dtIP=ml212+m(l2x)2dLdt=2ωm(l2x)(dxdt)+[ml22+m(l2x)2]dωdt..(iii)x=l2Rcosϕdxdt=ωRsinϕd2xdt2=ω2RcosϕNowfrom(ii)Ncosϕmgsinϕ=md2xdt2+mω2(l2x)N=mgtanϕ+mω2R+mω2(l2x)secϕusingthisand(i),(iii)indLdt=τP2ωm(l2x)(dxdt)+[ml212+m(l2x)2]dωdt=(Nsinϕ)(lx)+(mgcosϕ)(l2x)2ω(2Rcosϕl2)(ωRsinϕ)+[l212+(2Rcosϕ)2]ωdωdϕ={gtanϕ+ω2R+ω2(2Rcosϕl2)secϕ}sinϕ(2Rcosϕ)+gcosϕ(2Rcosϕl2)(l212+4R2cos2ϕ)ωdωdϕ+2ω2R2sinϕcosϕ=2gR(cos2ϕsin2ϕ)glcosϕ2letω2=zdzdϕ+(4R2sinϕcosϕl212+4R2cos2ϕ)z=4gR(cos2ϕsin2ϕ)glcosϕl2/12+4R2cos2ϕePdx=e4R2sinϕcosϕdϕl2/12+4R2cos2ϕ=1l2/12+4R2cos2ϕzl2/12+4R2cos2ϕ=[4gR(cos2ϕsin2ϕ)glcosϕ]dϕ(l2/12+4R2cos2ϕ)3/2.....

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