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Question Number 79254 by mr W last updated on 23/Jan/20

Commented by mr W last updated on 23/Jan/20

If the side length of the square is 10,  find  1) the radius of the smallest circle  2) the shaded area

Ifthesidelengthofthesquareis10,find1)theradiusofthesmallestcircle2)theshadedarea

Commented by key of knowledge last updated on 23/Jan/20

1)r=(5/3)         2)i think need (∫) !

1)r=532)ithinkneed()!

Answered by john santu last updated on 24/Jan/20

Commented by mr W last updated on 24/Jan/20

not correct sir!  it seems but it is not: AP not⊥PB, AP≠5.

notcorrectsir!itseemsbutitisnot:APnotPB,AP5.

Commented by john santu last updated on 24/Jan/20

r_A + r = 5... (i)  (r_A +5)^2 =25+(10−r_A )^2   r_A ^2 +10r_A +25=25+100−20r_A +r_A ^2   30r_A  = 100 ⇒r_A =((10)/3)  now we work (i) r = 5 −((10)/3)=(5/3)

rA+r=5...(i)(rA+5)2=25+(10rA)2rA2+10rA+25=25+10020rA+rA230rA=100rA=103nowwework(i)r=5103=53

Commented by john santu last updated on 24/Jan/20

prove it if it′s not right mister

proveitifitsnotrightmister

Commented by mr W last updated on 24/Jan/20

sir: what i meant above is  it seems but it is not proved: AP ⊥PB, AP=5.  you just assumed these are true.  in fact i can′t see in your solution  that you utilised the condition that  the smallest circle also tangents the  largest quartocircle.  i have not calculated this question,  so i have no result yet. maybe your  result is regardless correct. then  it′s by accident, i think.  i′ll post my solution and compare.

sir:whatimeantaboveisitseemsbutitisnotproved:APPB,AP=5.youjustassumedthesearetrue.infacticantseeinyoursolutionthatyouutilisedtheconditionthatthesmallestcirclealsotangentsthelargestquartocircle.ihavenotcalculatedthisquestion,soihavenoresultyet.maybeyourresultisregardlesscorrect.thenitsbyaccident,ithink.illpostmysolutionandcompare.

Commented by mr W last updated on 24/Jan/20

i have calculated. your result (values)  is correct.

ihavecalculated.yourresult(values)iscorrect.

Answered by mr W last updated on 24/Jan/20

Commented by mr W last updated on 24/Jan/20

(Part I)  2R=10 ⇒R=5  OB=2R−s  AB=R+s  (R+s)^2 =R^2 +(2R−s)^2   3s=2R  ⇒s=((2R)/3)=((10)/3)  OC=2R−r  BC=s+r  let β=∠BOC  cos β=(((2R−s)^2 +(2R−r)^2 −(s+r)^2 )/(2(2R−s)(2R−r)))  ⇒cos β=((2(R−r))/(2R−r))  AC=R+r  let α=∠AOC  cos α=((R^2 +(2R−r)^2 −(R+r)^2 )/(2R(2R−r)))  ⇒cos α=((2R−3r)/(2R−r))=sin β  cos^2  β+sin^2  β=1  ((4(R−r)^2 +(2R−3r)^2 )/((2R−r)^2 ))=1  4R^2 −8Rr+4r^2 +4R^2 −12Rr+9r^2 =4R^2 −4Rr+r^2   R^2 −4Rr+3r^2 =0  (R−r)(R−3r)=0  ⇒r=R ⇒ not the solution  ⇒r=(R/3)=(5/3)

(PartI)2R=10R=5OB=2RsAB=R+s(R+s)2=R2+(2Rs)23s=2Rs=2R3=103OC=2RrBC=s+rletβ=BOCcosβ=(2Rs)2+(2Rr)2(s+r)22(2Rs)(2Rr)cosβ=2(Rr)2RrAC=R+rletα=AOCcosα=R2+(2Rr)2(R+r)22R(2Rr)cosα=2R3r2Rr=sinβcos2β+sin2β=14(Rr)2+(2R3r)2(2Rr)2=14R28Rr+4r2+4R212Rr+9r2=4R24Rr+r2R24Rr+3r2=0(Rr)(R3r)=0r=Rnotthesolutionr=R3=53

Commented by john santu last updated on 24/Jan/20

(10−r)^2 =5^2 +(5+r)^2   100−20r+r^2 =25+25+10r+r^2   50 = 30r ⇒r= (5/3)

(10r)2=52+(5+r)210020r+r2=25+25+10r+r250=30rr=53

Commented by mr W last updated on 24/Jan/20

(10−r)^2 =5^2 +(5+r)^2  means OA⊥AC,  but i think this is not yet proved. or  how did you get that OA⊥AC?

(10r)2=52+(5+r)2meansOAAC,butithinkthisisnotyetproved.orhowdidyougetthatOAAC?

Commented by john santu last updated on 24/Jan/20

mister. we cannot claim our  way is right,so we deem different  ways wrong . it is shortsighted.  everyone′s point of view is  different

mister.wecannotclaimourwayisright,sowedeemdifferentwayswrong.itisshortsighted.everyonespointofviewisdifferent

Commented by john santu last updated on 24/Jan/20

Commented by john santu last updated on 24/Jan/20

look sir

looksir

Commented by mr W last updated on 24/Jan/20

discussion is always good.  btw your diagram didn′t answer my   question how to get that OA⊥AC. it  says only that AC⊥the tangent line.

discussionisalwaysgood.btwyourdiagramdidntanswermyquestionhowtogetthatOAAC.itsaysonlythatACthetangentline.

Answered by mr W last updated on 24/Jan/20

Commented by mr W last updated on 24/Jan/20

(Part II)  as calculated in part I we have got  s=((2R)/3)=((10)/3)  r=(R/3)=(5/3)  BC=s+r=((2R)/3)+(R/3)=R=OA  OB=2R−s=2R−((2R)/3)=((4R)/3)  AC=R+r=R+(R/3)=((4R)/3)=OB  ⇒OACB is rectangle.  tan β=(R/((4R)/3))=(3/4)  ⇒β=tan^(−1) (3/4)  γ=(π/2)+β  A_(ODE^(⌢) ) =((β(2R)^2 )/2)=2R^2 β  A_(ΔOBC) =(1/2)×R×((4R)/3)=((2R^2 )/3)  A_(BDF^(⌢) ) =(π/4)(((2R)/3))^2 =((πR^2 )/9)  A_(FCE^(⌢) ) =(γ/2)((R/3))^2 =(R^2 /(18))((π/2)+β)  A_(shaded) =A_(ODE^(⌢) ) −A_(ΔOBC) −A_(BDF^(⌢) ) −A_(FCE^(⌢) )   =2R^2 β−((2R^2 )/3)−((πR^2 )/9)−(R^2 /(18))((π/2)+β)  =(((70β−5π−24)R^2 )/(36))  ⇒A_(shaded) =(((70 tan^(−1) (3/4)−5π−24)R^2 )/(36))≈0.148253R^2   ≈3.706329

(PartII)ascalculatedinpartIwehavegots=2R3=103r=R3=53BC=s+r=2R3+R3=R=OAOB=2Rs=2R2R3=4R3AC=R+r=R+R3=4R3=OBOACBisrectangle.tanβ=R4R3=34β=tan134γ=π2+βAODE=β(2R)22=2R2βAΔOBC=12×R×4R3=2R23ABDF=π4(2R3)2=πR29AFCE=γ2(R3)2=R218(π2+β)Ashaded=AODEAΔOBCABDFAFCE=2R2β2R23πR29R218(π2+β)=(70β5π24)R236Ashaded=(70tan1345π24)R2360.148253R23.706329

Answered by mr W last updated on 24/Jan/20

Commented by mr W last updated on 24/Jan/20

here is an other way to solve using  the Descartes′ theorem  (see Q77681 for more details)    R_1 =2R=10  R_2 =R=5  R_3 =s=?  R_4 =r=?    applying Descartes′ theorem on  R_1 ,2×R_2  and R_3 :  (−(1/R_1 )+(2/R_2 )+(1/R_3 ))^2 =2((1/R_1 ^2 )+(2/R_2 ^2 )+(1/R_3 ^2 ))  (−(1/(2R))+(2/R)+(1/s))^2 =2((1/(4R^2 ))+(2/R^2 )+(1/s^2 ))  4(R^2 /s^2 )−12(R/s)+9=0  (2(R/s)−3)^2 =0  ⇒s=((2R)/3)=((10)/3)    applying Descartes′ theorem on  R_1 ,R_2 ,R_3  and R_4 :  (−(1/R_1 )+(1/R_2 )+(1/R_3 )+(1/R_4 ))^2 =2((1/R_1 ^2 )+(1/R_2 ^2 )+(1/R_3 ^2 )+(1/R_4 ^2 ))  (−(1/(2R))+(1/R)+(3/(2R))+(1/r))^2 =2((1/(4R^2 ))+(1/R^2 )+(9/(4R^2 ))+(1/r^2 ))  (R^2 /r^2 )−4(R/r)+3=0  ((R/r)−1)((R/r)−3)=0  ⇒r=R ⇒not the searched circle  ⇒r=(R/3)=(5/3)

hereisanotherwaytosolveusingtheDescartestheorem(seeQ77681formoredetails)R1=2R=10R2=R=5R3=s=?R4=r=?applyingDescartestheoremonR1,2×R2andR3:(1R1+2R2+1R3)2=2(1R12+2R22+1R32)(12R+2R+1s)2=2(14R2+2R2+1s2)4R2s212Rs+9=0(2Rs3)2=0s=2R3=103applyingDescartestheoremonR1,R2,R3andR4:(1R1+1R2+1R3+1R4)2=2(1R12+1R22+1R32+1R42)(12R+1R+32R+1r)2=2(14R2+1R2+94R2+1r2)R2r24Rr+3=0(Rr1)(Rr3)=0r=Rnotthesearchedcircler=R3=53

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