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Question Number 90252 by ajfour last updated on 22/Apr/20

Commented by ajfour last updated on 22/Apr/20

If both ellipses have the same  shape, find, b/a .Also find  circumradius in terms of a.

Ifbothellipseshavethesameshape,find,b/a.Alsofindcircumradiusintermsofa.

Answered by ajfour last updated on 22/Apr/20

let eq. of red ellipse be    (((x−h)^2 )/b^2 )+(y^2 /a^2 )=1  for x=0, y^2 =b^2   ⇒  h^2 =b^2 (1−(b^2 /a^2 ))  h+b=a  ⇒   (a−b)^2 =b^2 −(b^4 /a^2 )  let  (a/b)=μ  (μ−1)^2 =1−(1/μ^2 )    ⇒  μ^4 −2μ^3 +1=0  ⇒  (μ−1)(μ^3 −μ^2 −μ−1)=0  ⇒  if μ≠1 ,    μ ≈ 1.8393

leteq.ofredellipsebe(xh)2b2+y2a2=1forx=0,y2=b2h2=b2(1b2a2)h+b=a(ab)2=b2b4a2letab=μ(μ1)2=11μ2μ42μ3+1=0(μ1)(μ3μ2μ1)=0ifμ1,μ1.8393

Commented by mr W last updated on 22/Apr/20

a solution exists:  μ^4 −2μ^3 +1=0  (μ−1)(μ^3 −μ^2 −μ−1)=0  μ=1 ⇒no solution  μ^3 −μ^2 −μ−1=0  ⇒μ=(1/3)(1+((19−3(√(33))))^(1/3) +((19+3(√(33))))^(1/3) )=1.8393

asolutionexists:μ42μ3+1=0(μ1)(μ3μ2μ1)=0μ=1nosolutionμ3μ2μ1=0μ=13(1+193333+19+3333)=1.8393

Commented by mr W last updated on 22/Apr/20

Commented by ajfour last updated on 22/Apr/20

yes sir, μ≈ 1.8393 , thanks,  can we try the second part then

yessir,μ1.8393,thanks,canwetrythesecondpartthen

Answered by ajfour last updated on 22/Apr/20

let center of red ellipse be   origin.  Eq. of the ellipse  (x^2 /b^2 )+(y^2 /a^2 )=1  (dy/dx)=−(a^2 /b^2 )((x/y))  let eq. of circle be  (x−p)^2 +y^2 =r^2   for  x=−(2a−b)  , y=0  ⇒  2a−b+p=r    ....(i)  let (s,t) be point of tangency  of red ellipse and circle.  (s−p)^2 +a^2 (1−(s^2 /b^2 ))=r^2   ((a^2 /b^2 )−1)s^2 +2ps+r^2 −p^2 −a^2 =0  D=0  ⇒  p^2 =((a^2 /b^2 )−1)(r^2 −p^2 −a^2 )  and as   p=b+r−2a  ((a^2 /b^2 )−1)r^2 −p^2 ((a^2 /b^2 ))=a^2 ((a^2 /b^2 )−1)  (μ^2 −1)r^2 −μ^2 (b+r−2a)^2                         =a^2 (μ^2 −1)  r^2 −4μ^2 (a−(b/2))r+a^2 (μ^2 −1)                   +4μ^2 (a−(b/2))^2 =0  let   r=λa  λ^2 −4μ^2 (1−(1/(2μ)))λ+(μ^2 −1)                          +4μ^2 (1−(1/(2μ)))^2 =0  λ=2μ^2 (1−(1/(2μ)))−(√(4μ^2 (μ^2 −1)(1−(1/(2μ)))^2 −(μ^2 −1)))  λ=μ(2μ−1)−(√((μ^2 −1){(2μ−1)^2 −1}))      with   μ=1.8393  λ≈ 1.09074

letcenterofredellipsebeorigin.Eq.oftheellipsex2b2+y2a2=1dydx=a2b2(xy)leteq.ofcirclebe(xp)2+y2=r2forx=(2ab),y=02ab+p=r....(i)let(s,t)bepointoftangencyofredellipseandcircle.(sp)2+a2(1s2b2)=r2(a2b21)s2+2ps+r2p2a2=0D=0p2=(a2b21)(r2p2a2)andasp=b+r2a(a2b21)r2p2(a2b2)=a2(a2b21)(μ21)r2μ2(b+r2a)2=a2(μ21)r24μ2(ab2)r+a2(μ21)+4μ2(ab2)2=0letr=λaλ24μ2(112μ)λ+(μ21)+4μ2(112μ)2=0λ=2μ2(112μ)4μ2(μ21)(112μ)2(μ21)λ=μ(2μ1)(μ21){(2μ1)21}withμ=1.8393λ1.09074

Commented by mr W last updated on 22/Apr/20

very nice solution sir! exact!

verynicesolutionsir!exact!

Commented by ajfour last updated on 22/Apr/20

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