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Question Number 109268 by mr W last updated on 22/Aug/20

Commented by mr W last updated on 22/Aug/20

block m is released at height h.  find the time it needs to reach the  ground.  all motion is frictionless.

blockmisreleasedatheighth.findthetimeitneedstoreachtheground.allmotionisfrictionless.

Commented by Dwaipayan Shikari last updated on 22/Aug/20

mg−T=ma     2T=(M+m)A (2T=total tension in x direction for block (M+m)

mgT=ma2T=(M+m)A(2T=totaltensioninxdirectionforblock(M+m)

Commented by mr W last updated on 22/Aug/20

not correct sir!  you assumed that m and M have the  same acceleration in x direction, but  this is only the case when the string  holding m is inclined, but this means  that the acceleration of m in y   direction is not equal to a as you  assumed.  besides you wrote 2T=(M+m)a,  how did you get 2T?

notcorrectsir!youassumedthatmandMhavethesameaccelerationinxdirection,butthisisonlythecasewhenthestringholdingmisinclined,butthismeansthattheaccelerationofminydirectionisnotequaltoaasyouassumed.besidesyouwrote2T=(M+m)a,howdidyouget2T?

Commented by mr W last updated on 22/Aug/20

for block m there is not tension force  in x direction.

forblockmthereisnottensionforceinxdirection.

Commented by Dwaipayan Shikari last updated on 22/Aug/20

I have assumed( M+m) as system. if M goes inx direction then  mass will also move in x direction

Ihaveassumed(M+m)assystem.ifMgoesinxdirectionthenmasswillalsomoveinxdirection

Answered by mr W last updated on 22/Aug/20

Commented by ajfour last updated on 22/Aug/20

T(1−sin θ)=M((d^2 s/dt^2 ))  mgcos θ+m((d^2 s/dt^2 ))sin θ−T=m[(d^2 s/dt^2 )−R((dθ/dt))^2 ]  m((d^2 s/dt^2 ))cos θ−mgsin θ = ms((d^2 θ/dt^2 ))  −−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−  let    (M/m)=k      ⇒  gcos θ+((d^2 s/dt^2 ))sin θ−(k/((1−sin θ)))((d^2 s/dt^2 ))     = (d^2 s/dt^2 )−R((dθ/dt))^2      &  (d^2 s/dt^2 )cos θ−gsin θ=s((d^2 θ/dt^2 ))  .....................................................

T(1sinθ)=M(d2sdt2)mgcosθ+m(d2sdt2)sinθT=m[d2sdt2R(dθdt)2]m(d2sdt2)cosθmgsinθ=ms(d2θdt2)letMm=kgcosθ+(d2sdt2)sinθk(1sinθ)(d2sdt2)=d2sdt2R(dθdt)2&d2sdt2cosθgsinθ=s(d2θdt2).....................................................

Commented by mr W last updated on 22/Aug/20

thanks sir!  a solution even for this simple case  seems not to be easy.

thankssir!asolutionevenforthissimplecaseseemsnottobeeasy.

Commented by ajfour last updated on 22/Aug/20

mg−Tcos θ=m((d^2 y/dt^2 ))  T(1−sin θ)=M((d^2 s/dt^2 ))  m((d^2 s/dt^2 ))−Tsin θ=m((d^2 X/dt^2 ))  tan θ=(X/y)  −−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−  g−(T/m)((y/s))=(d^2 y/dt^2 )             .....(i)  (T/m)(1−(X/s))=k((d^2 s/dt^2 ))      ......(ii)  (d^2 s/dt^2 )−(T/m)((X/s))=(d^2 X/dt^2 )       ......(iii)  −−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−  from (ii) & (iii)  (d^2 s/dt^2 ){1−(k/(((s/X)−1)))}=(d^2 X/dt^2 )  let    (s/X) = z  ⇒   d^2 (Xz){1−(k/(z−1))}=d^2 X    (1−(k/(z−1)))d(zdX+Xdz)=d(dX)  .......

mgTcosθ=m(d2ydt2)T(1sinθ)=M(d2sdt2)m(d2sdt2)Tsinθ=m(d2Xdt2)tanθ=XygTm(ys)=d2ydt2.....(i)Tm(1Xs)=k(d2sdt2)......(ii)d2sdt2Tm(Xs)=d2Xdt2......(iii)from(ii)&(iii)d2sdt2{1k(sX1)}=d2Xdt2letsX=zd2(Xz){1kz1}=d2X(1kz1)d(zdX+Xdz)=d(dX).......

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