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Question Number 213888 by mnjuly1970 last updated on 20/Nov/24

Commented by mnjuly1970 last updated on 20/Nov/24

     circle is tangant to parabola    .A is center of circle      Find    ,  inf ( R )=?

circleistanganttoparabola.AiscenterofcircleFind,inf(R)=?

Commented by mr W last updated on 21/Nov/24

y=x^r     ?  A(0, α)    ?  inf(R) means what?

y=xr?A(0,α)?inf(R)meanswhat?

Commented by mehdee7396 last updated on 21/Nov/24

y=x^2   A(0,a)

y=x2A(0,a)

Commented by mnjuly1970 last updated on 21/Nov/24

   infimum      inf {x ∣ x∈[0 ,1)}=inf{x∣x∈(0,1)}=1

infimuminf{xx[0,1)}=inf{xx(0,1)}=1

Commented by mr W last updated on 21/Nov/24

i don′t understand the sense to ask  for inf(R) here.

idontunderstandthesensetoaskforinf(R)here.

Answered by mr W last updated on 21/Nov/24

y=x^2   x^2 +(y−a)^2 =R^2   y+(y−a)^2 =R^2   y^2 −(2a−1)y+a^2 −R^2 =0  Δ=(2a−1)^2 −4(a^2 −R^2 )=0  4R^2 =4a−1  ⇒R=(√(a−(1/4)))  a≥R=(√(a−(1/4)))  a^2 −a+(1/4)≥0   ⇒a≥(1/2)

y=x2x2+(ya)2=R2y+(ya)2=R2y2(2a1)y+a2R2=0Δ=(2a1)24(a2R2)=04R2=4a1R=a14aR=a14a2a+140a12

Commented by mr W last updated on 21/Nov/24

Commented by mnjuly1970 last updated on 21/Nov/24

  thanks alot :  inf(R)= 1/2

thanksalot:inf(R)=1/2

Commented by mr W last updated on 21/Nov/24

Answered by BHOOPENDRA last updated on 21/Nov/24

Equation of circle  which center A(0,a)  x^2 +(y−a)^2 =R^2   tangency   y=x^2  So  x^2 +(x^2 −a)^2 =R^2   put x^2 =y  For the circle to be tangent to the parabola  the qudratic must have a repeated  root.The discriminat of qudratic  must be zero.  Δ=b^2 −4ac   (2a−1)^2 =4(a^2 −R^2 )  R^2 =(a−(1/4))  The question ask for the smallest  possible value of the radius R of   a circle centered at A(0,a) that   touches the parabola y=x^2  at exactly  two points.  The infimum of R is smallest valueR  can approach (but not necessrily reach).

EquationofcirclewhichcenterA(0,a)x2+(ya)2=R2tangencyy=x2Sox2+(x2a)2=R2putx2=yForthecircletobetangenttotheparabolathequdraticmusthavearepeatedroot.Thediscriminatofqudraticmustbezero.Δ=b24ac(2a1)2=4(a2R2)R2=(a14)ThequestionaskforthesmallestpossiblevalueoftheradiusRofacirclecenteredatA(0,a)thattouchestheparabolay=x2atexactlytwopoints.TheinfimumofRissmallestvalueRcanapproach(butnotnecessrilyreach).

Commented by mnjuly1970 last updated on 21/Nov/24

Commented by BHOOPENDRA last updated on 21/Nov/24

Key observation  for R>0 ,the condition is:a>(1/4)  The radius R minimized when a  approaches its lower bound,a=(1/4).  At this value  R^2 =1/4 −1/4=0  While the infimum of R^2  mathematically 0  ,the smallest physical radiusR is  achieved just above a=(1/4) ,where  R start increasing from 0.    Infimum of the radius R is 0  But it will not satisfy tangential  condition   So R^2 =a−1/4  put in the equation  y^2 +(2a−1)y+(a^2 −R^2 )=0  y^2 +(2a−1)y+(a^2 −a+(1/4))=0  y^2 +(2a−1)y+(a−(1/2))^2 =0  a−(1/2)≥0  a≥(1/2)  R≥(1/2)  Inf(R)=1/2 (according to tangential  condition)

KeyobservationforR>0,theconditionis:a>14TheradiusRminimizedwhenaapproachesitslowerbound,a=14.AtthisvalueR2=1/41/4=0WhiletheinfimumofR2mathematically0,thesmallestphysicalradiusRisachievedjustabovea=14,whereRstartincreasingfrom0.InfimumoftheradiusRis0ButitwillnotsatisfytangentialconditionSoR2=a1/4putintheequationy2+(2a1)y+(a2R2)=0y2+(2a1)y+(a2a+14)=0y2+(2a1)y+(a12)2=0a120a12R12Inf(R)=1/2(accordingtotangentialcondition)

Commented by mr W last updated on 21/Nov/24

a circle with radius 0 is not a circle,  but just a point. such that the circle  tangents the parabolla as requested,  a≥(1/2) and correspondingly R≥(1/2).

acirclewithradius0isnotacircle,butjustapoint.suchthatthecircletangentstheparabollaasrequested,a12andcorrespondinglyR12.

Commented by BHOOPENDRA last updated on 21/Nov/24

I did not say this Sir W i was just explaning  inf(R) .i alredy said this R can never  be zero

IdidnotsaythisSirWiwasjustexplaninginf(R).ialredysaidthisRcanneverbezero

Commented by mr W last updated on 21/Nov/24

in current case “a>(1/4) and R>0”  is not true, it should be “a≥(1/2) and  R≥(1/2)”.

incurrentcasea>14andR>0isnottrue,itshouldbea12andR12.

Commented by BHOOPENDRA last updated on 21/Nov/24

whatever you got its correct but  In the context of intersection point  y^2 −(2a−1)y+(a^2 −R^2 )=0  substitute R^2 =a−1/4  y^2 −(2a−1)y+(a^2 −a+(1/4))=0  y^2 −(2a−1)y+(a−(1/2))^2 =0  for this qudratic to have real solution  a−(1/2),  ⇒a≥(1/2)  R≥(1/2)   i know this   i was just explaning inf(R).  BTW thanks

whateveryougotitscorrectbutInthecontextofintersectionpointy2(2a1)y+(a2R2)=0substituteR2=a1/4y2(2a1)y+(a2a+14)=0y2(2a1)y+(a12)2=0forthisqudratictohaverealsolutiona12,a12R12iknowthisiwasjustexplaninginf(R).BTWthanks

Commented by mr W last updated on 21/Nov/24

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