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Question Number 214248 by mr W last updated on 03/Dec/24

Commented by mr W last updated on 02/Dec/24

a man with mass M is standing on  the top of a twin step ladder. each  ladder with length l has a mass m.  both ladders form an angle of 45°.  suddently the spreaders are brocken  and the ladders begin to slip on the  smooth surface of thefloor.  after what time and with what  speed will the man hit the floor?

amanwithmassMisstandingonthetopofatwinstepladder.eachladderwithlengthlhasamassm.bothladdersformanangleof45°.suddentlythespreadersarebrockenandtheladdersbegintosliponthesmoothsurfaceofthefloor.afterwhattimeandwithwhatspeedwillthemanhitthefloor?

Answered by a.lgnaoui last updated on 02/Dec/24

hauteur  h=Lcos( ((45)/2))    h=L((√(2+(√2)))/2)   a_y =g   v=gt+v_(0   )   v_0 =0    v=gt     h=(1/2)gt^2   ⇒ v^2 =2gh    v=(√(2gh)) =(√(gL(√(2+(√2)))))   t =((√(Lg(√(2+(√2))) )))/g)

hauteurh=Lcos(452)h=L2+22ay=gv=gt+v0v0=0v=gth=12gt2v2=2ghv=2gh=gL2+2t=Lg2+2)g

Commented by a.lgnaoui last updated on 02/Dec/24

Commented by mr W last updated on 03/Dec/24

you seem not to understand what  the question is about.  the man falls with the ladder. he  doesn′t fall from the ladder!  besides the total mass is M+2m.  the center of mass of each ladder is  at its middle point, not on its top.

youseemnottounderstandwhatthequestionisabout.themanfallswiththeladder.hedoesntfallfromtheladder!besidesthetotalmassisM+2m.thecenterofmassofeachladderisatitsmiddlepoint,notonitstop.

Commented by mr W last updated on 03/Dec/24

Commented by mr W last updated on 05/Dec/24

the ladder or this drawing?

theladderorthisdrawing?

Commented by 0202391905769 last updated on 05/Dec/24

comment as tu construire sa?

commentastuconstruiresa?

Answered by mr W last updated on 04/Dec/24

Commented by mr W last updated on 05/Dec/24

h=l sin θ  let ω=−(dθ/dt)  u_(My) =−(dh/dt)=ωl cos θ  a_(My) =ω^2 l sin θ  u_(mx) =((d(0.5l cos θ))/dt)=((ωl sin θ)/2)  u_(my) =−((d(0.5l sin θ))/dt)=((ωl cos θ)/2)  h_0 =l cos 22.5°  Mg(h_0 −h)+2mg((h_0 /2)−(h/2))     =((Mω^2 l^2 cos^2  θ)/2)+2×((mω^2 l^2 )/2)(((sin^2  θ+cos^2  θ)/4))+2×((ml^2 )/(12))×ω^2   12(M+m)g(cos 22.5°−sin θ)=(6M cos^2  θ+5m)ω^2 l  with μ=(m/M)  ⇒ω^2 =((12(1+μ)g(cos ((3π)/8)−sin θ))/((6 cos^2  θ+5μ)l))  T=(√((2h_0 )/g))∫_0 ^((3π)/8) (√((6 cos^2  θ+5μ)/(24(1+μ)sin ((3π)/8)(cos ((3π)/8)−sin θ)))) dθ  u_P =ωl cos θ=cos θ(√((12(1+μ)gl(cos ((3π)/8)−sin θ))/(6 cos^2  θ+5μ)))  example:  μ=0.1  T≈1.055212(√((2h_0 )/g))  u_P =(√((1+μ)/(1+((5μ)/6))))(√(2gh_0 ))≈1.008(√(2gh_0 ))    Mg−N=Mω^2 l sin θ  (N/(Mg))=1−((ω^2 l sin θ)/g)=1−((12(1+μ) sin θ(sin ((3π)/8)−sin θ))/(6 cos^2  θ+5μ))

h=lsinθletω=dθdtuMy=dhdt=ωlcosθaMy=ω2lsinθumx=d(0.5lcosθ)dt=ωlsinθ2umy=d(0.5lsinθ)dt=ωlcosθ2h0=lcos22.5°Mg(h0h)+2mg(h02h2)=Mω2l2cos2θ2+2×mω2l22(sin2θ+cos2θ4)+2×ml212×ω212(M+m)g(cos22.5°sinθ)=(6Mcos2θ+5m)ω2lwithμ=mMω2=12(1+μ)g(cos3π8sinθ)(6cos2θ+5μ)lT=2h0g03π86cos2θ+5μ24(1+μ)sin3π8(cos3π8sinθ)dθuP=ωlcosθ=cosθ12(1+μ)gl(cos3π8sinθ)6cos2θ+5μexample:μ=0.1T1.0552122h0guP=1+μ1+5μ62gh01.0082gh0MgN=Mω2lsinθNMg=1ω2lsinθg=112(1+μ)sinθ(sin3π8sinθ)6cos2θ+5μ

Answered by a.lgnaoui last updated on 04/Dec/24

la situation     { ((x_0 =Lsin (π/8)  t=0)),((y_0 =Lcos (π/8))) :}   { ((x=L(1−sin (π/8))       (t_0 +t))),((y=o)) :}     { ((ax=o   x=vt)),((ay=+g  v=gt     y=(1/2)gt^2 +Lsin (π/8))) :}    a t   t=(x/v)=((L(1−sin (π/8)))/v)=(v/g)     v=(√(gL(1−sin (π/8))))     y=(x^2 /(2v^2 ))gL(1−sin (π/8))+Lsin (π/8)   { ((x=L(1−sin (π/8))   ;y=0)),(((x^2 /(2v^2 ))g(1−sin (𝛑/8))+sin (π/8)=0)) :}    g(1−sin )x^2 =−2v^2 sin ((π/8))     ∣v∣=x(√((g(1−sin (π/8)))/(2sin (π/8))))   v=L(√((g(1−sin (π/8))^3 )/(2sin (π/8))))     t=(x/v) ⇒    x=L(1−sin (𝛑/8))                       t=(√((2sin (π/8))/(g(1−sin (π/8)))))         soit    v=gt                     v=  (√((2gsin (𝛑/8))/(1−sin (𝛑/8))))

lasituation{x0=Lsinπ8t=0y0=Lcosπ8{x=L(1sinπ8)(t0+t)y=o{ax=ox=vtay=+gv=gty=12gt2+Lsinπ8att=xv=L(1sinπ8)v=vgv=gL(1sinπ8)y=x22v2gL(1sinπ8)+Lsinπ8{x=L(1sinπ8);y=0x22v2g(1sinπ8)+sinπ8=0g(1sin)x2=2v2sin(π8)v∣=xg(1sinπ8)2sinπ8v=Lg(1sinπ8)32sinπ8t=xvx=L(1sinπ8)t=2sinπ8g(1sinπ8)soitv=gtv=2gsinπ81sinπ8

Commented by mr W last updated on 04/Dec/24

still wrong!  ladders rotate also!  the unit of time is second, not  second/(√m)!

stillwrong!laddersrotatealso!theunitoftimeissecond,notsecond/m!

Commented by a.lgnaoui last updated on 04/Dec/24

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