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Question Number 126363 by ajfour last updated on 19/Dec/20

x^3 −x−c=0       ;    [c<2/(3(√3))]  (Solve by a  method other than  trigonometric solution).

x3xc=0;[c<2/(33)](Solvebyamethodotherthantrigonometricsolution).

Answered by mathmax by abdo last updated on 19/Dec/20

x^3 −x−c=0 let x=u+v  so e⇒(u+v)^3 −(u+v)−c=0 ⇒  u^3  +v^3  +3uv(u+v)−(u+v)−c=0 ⇒  u^3  +v^3  −c +(3uv−1)(u+v)=0 ⇒ { ((u^3  +v^3  =c)),((3uv−1=0)) :}  ⇒ { ((u^3  +v^3  =c     ⇒          { ((u^3  +v^3  =c)),((u^3 v^3  =(1/(27)))) :})),((uv=(1/3))) :}  so u^3  and v^3  are solution of  t^2 −ct +(1/(27))=0  Δ=c^2 −(4/(27)) <0 due to   c<(2/(3(√3))) ⇒t_1 =((c+i(√((4/(27))−c^2 )))/2)  t_2 =((c−i(√((4/(27))−c^2 )))/2) ⇒x=^3 (√((c+i(√((4/(27))−c^2 )))/2)) +^3 (√((c−i(√((4/(27))−c^2 )))/2))

x3xc=0letx=u+vsoe(u+v)3(u+v)c=0u3+v3+3uv(u+v)(u+v)c=0u3+v3c+(3uv1)(u+v)=0{u3+v3=c3uv1=0{u3+v3=c{u3+v3=cu3v3=127uv=13sou3andv3aresolutionoft2ct+127=0Δ=c2427<0duetoc<233t1=c+i427c22t2=ci427c22x=3c+i427c22+3ci427c22

Commented by MJS_new last updated on 19/Dec/20

Cardano′s solution is not valid for D<0

CardanossolutionisnotvalidforD<0

Commented by mathmax by abdo last updated on 20/Dec/20

why sir?

whysir?

Commented by MJS_new last updated on 20/Dec/20

x^3 +px+q=0; D=(p^3 /(27))+(q^2 /4)  if D<0 we have 3 real roots we cannot find  using Cardano. see below article

x3+px+q=0;D=p327+q24ifD<0wehave3realrootswecannotfindusingCardano.seebelowarticle

Commented by MJS_new last updated on 20/Dec/20

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casus_irreducibilis

Commented by MJS_new last updated on 20/Dec/20

don′t get confused, in this article Δ is not  equal to the D I use. still it′s true. you cannot  reduce the complex number to its real value  ⇒ the solution is possible to write down but  impossible to use

dontgetconfused,inthisarticleΔisnotequaltotheDIuse.stillitstrue.youcannotreducethecomplexnumbertoitsrealvaluethesolutionispossibletowritedownbutimpossibletouse

Commented by mr W last updated on 20/Dec/20

that′s the point!  certainly we can express the roots  using cardano′s formula using   complex numbers, but to calculate  the real values out from the formula,  we must at the end come to the  trigonometric expression form.  therefore cardano′s formula is not  really useful in this case.

thatsthepoint!certainlywecanexpresstherootsusingcardanosformulausingcomplexnumbers,buttocalculatetherealvaluesoutfromtheformula,wemustattheendcometothetrigonometricexpressionform.thereforecardanosformulaisnotreallyusefulinthiscase.

Commented by mathmax by abdo last updated on 20/Dec/20

nevermind thank you sir

nevermindthankyousir

Commented by Tawa11 last updated on 23/Jul/21

great

great

Answered by ajfour last updated on 19/Dec/20

x=t+h  ⇒  t^3 +3ht^2 +(3h^2 −1)t+h^3 −h−c=0  let  t=p  be also a root.   ⇒  t^4 +(3h−p)t^3 +(3h^2 −1−3ph)t^2   +[h^3 −h−c−p(3h^2 −1)]t  −p(h^3 −h−c)=0  lets add to it  qt{t^3 +3ht^2 +(3h^2 −1)t+h^3 −h−c}=0  ⇒  (1+q)t^4 +(3h−p+3qh)t^3 +  [3h^2 −1−3ph+q(3h^2 −1)]t^2 +  [h^3 −h−c−p(3h^2 −1)+q(h^3 −h−c)]t  −p(h^3 −h−c)=0  Now let  3ph=(1+q)(3h^2 −1);[coeff. of t^2 =0]  ⇒ 3ht^4 +(6h^2 +1)t^3 +  [3h(h^3 −h−c)−(3h^2 −1)^2 ]t  −(3h^2 −1)(h^3 −h−c)=0  let   h^3 +mh−c=0   ⇒    h^3 −h−c=−(m+1)h     ⇒      3ht^4 +(6h^2 +1)t^3       −[(3h^2 −1)^2 +3(m+1)h^2 ]t      +(m+1)h(3h^2 −1)=0    ⇒  ......

x=t+ht3+3ht2+(3h21)t+h3hc=0lett=pbealsoaroot.t4+(3hp)t3+(3h213ph)t2+[h3hcp(3h21)]tp(h3hc)=0letsaddtoitqt{t3+3ht2+(3h21)t+h3hc}=0(1+q)t4+(3hp+3qh)t3+[3h213ph+q(3h21)]t2+[h3hcp(3h21)+q(h3hc)]tp(h3hc)=0Nowlet3ph=(1+q)(3h21);[coeff.oft2=0]3ht4+(6h2+1)t3+[3h(h3hc)(3h21)2]t(3h21)(h3hc)=0leth3+mhc=0h3hc=(m+1)h3ht4+(6h2+1)t3[(3h21)2+3(m+1)h2]t+(m+1)h(3h21)=0......

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